f ( 2 x 1 3 ) f( \frac {2x-1}{3} )

Algebra Level 3

Given that f ( 2 x 1 3 ) f( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) = 4 x 2 10 x 5 9 \frac {4x^2 - 10x - 5}{9} ,

find f ( f ( 3 ) f ( 2 ) f ( 1 ) ) f( \frac {f(3)-f(2)}{f(1)}) .


The answer is 19.

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6 solutions

Finn Hulse
Apr 7, 2014

I have a very creative solution to this problem that requires much less bashing. Let's examine the second equation (the one we have to solve). Let's first find f ( 3 ) f(3) . If we want f ( 2 x 1 3 ) = f ( 3 ) f(\frac{2x-1}{3})=f(3) , then 3 = 2 x 1 3 x = 5 3=\frac{2x-1}{3} \Longrightarrow x=5 . Plugging this into the equation, we see that f ( 3 ) = 5 f(3)=5 (it's just a coincidence that plugging five into the equation produces five). Doing likewise for the other two functions ( f ( 2 ) f(2) and f ( 1 ) f(1) ) turns the final expression into f ( 5 1 1 ) f ( 4 ) f(\frac{5-1}{-1}) \Longrightarrow f(-4) . We know how to tackle this, and doing so produces 19 \boxed{19} as the desired answer. Notice that we never even solved for the function! Great problem! :D

same as i did...... cheers Finn

Vighnesh Raut - 7 years, 1 month ago

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:D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 1 month ago

Great one!

Rhoy Omega - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Thanks! :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

I also did it the same way...without finding the function....cheers!

Eddie The Head - 7 years, 2 months ago

That's how I did it. :)

Daniel Liu - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Same. :)

Hahn Lheem - 7 years, 2 months ago

Yeah.

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

Thats the way I did it

Kushagra Sahni - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Cool!

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Yeah, thanks

Kushagra Sahni - 7 years, 1 month ago

I did the same way

shivamani patil - 6 years, 10 months ago
Rhoy Omega
Apr 6, 2014

If we could solve for f(x) then it would be easy for us to solve the problem.

Let f ( 2 x 1 3 ) f( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) = a ( 2 x 1 3 ) 2 a( \frac {2x-1}{3} )^2 + b ( 2 x 1 3 ) b( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) + c c . Then expanding it would yield:

f ( 2 x 1 3 ) f( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) = a ( 4 x 2 4 x + 1 9 ) a( \frac {4x^2 - 4x + 1}{9} ) + b ( 6 x 3 9 ) b( \frac {6x-3}{9} ) + 9 c 9 \frac {9c}{9}

f ( 2 x 1 3 ) f( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) = 4 a x 2 4 a x + a 9 \frac {4ax^2 - 4ax + a}{9} + 6 b x 3 b 9 \frac {6bx - 3b}{9} + 9 c 9 \frac {9c}{9}

f ( 2 x 1 3 ) f( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) = 4 a x 2 4 a x + a + 6 b x 3 b + 9 c 9 \frac { 4ax^2 - 4ax + a + 6bx - 3b + 9c }{9}

f ( 2 x 1 3 ) f( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) = ( 4 a x 2 ) + ( 4 a x + 6 b x ) + ( a 3 b + 9 c ) 9 \frac {(4ax^2)+(-4ax + 6bx)+(a - 3b + 9c)}{9}

Do not be confused about the grouping of terms; I just grouped the quadratic term, the linear terms, and the constant terms. If we compare this with f ( 2 x 1 3 ) f( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) = 4 x 2 10 x 5 9 \frac {4x^2 -10x -5}{9} , we can see that 4 a x 2 = 4 x 2 4ax^2 = 4x^2 , or a = 1 a =1 (by cancelling 4 x 2 ) 4x^2) ; 4 a x + 6 b x = 10 x -4ax + 6bx = -10x , or 4 a + 6 b = 10 -4a + 6b = -10 (by cancelling x x ) ; and a 3 b + 9 c = 5 a - 3b + 9c = -5 .

Now, we are left with the system

a = 1 a =1

4 a + 6 b = 10 -4a + 6b = -10

a 3 b + 9 c = 5 a - 3b + 9c = -5

which, when solved, easily gives us a = 1 , a = 1, b = 1 , b = -1, and c = 1 c = -1 . Substitute these values to f ( 2 x 1 3 ) f( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) = a ( 2 x 1 3 ) 2 a( \frac {2x-1}{3} )^2 + b ( 2 x 1 3 ) b( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) + c c and you will obtain:

f ( 2 x 1 3 ) f( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) = ( 2 x 1 3 ) 2 ( \frac {2x-1}{3} )^2 - ( 2 x 1 3 ) ( \frac {2x-1}{3} ) - 1 1

Replace 2 x 1 3 \frac {2x-1}{3} with x x and you'll obtain: f ( x ) f(x) = x 2 x 1 x^2 - x - 1

Now, f ( f ( 3 ) f ( 2 ) f ( 1 ) ) f( \frac { f(3) - f(2) }{f(1)} ) = f ( ( 3 2 3 1 ) ( 2 2 2 1 ) ( 1 2 1 1 ) ) f( \frac {(3^2 - 3 - 1) - (2^2 - 2 - 1)}{(1^2 - 1 - 1)} ) = f ( 5 1 1 ) f( \frac {5-1}{-1} ) = f ( 4 ) f(-4)

Finally, f ( 4 ) f(-4) = ( 4 ) 2 ( 4 ) 1 (-4)^2 - (-4) - 1 = 16 + 4 1 16 + 4 - 1 = 19 \boxed{19}

You made it complicated dude.....but great one..

Vighnesh Raut - 7 years, 1 month ago
Datu Oen
Apr 11, 2014

We can let g ( x ) = 2 x 1 3 g(x) =\displaystyle\frac{2x-1}{3} and find for g 1 ( x ) g^{-1}(x) .

We can check that g 1 ( x ) = 3 x + 1 2 g^{-1}(x) = \displaystyle\frac{3x+1}{2} .

Now we solve for f ( x ) f(x) by computing for f ( g ( 3 x + 1 2 ) ) \displaystyle f( g(\frac{3x+1}{2})) .

Why does this work? It is because in reality, you are solving for f ( g ( g 1 ( x ) ) ) = f ( x ) \displaystyle f( g(g^{-1}(x))) = f(x) .

It is easy to verify that f ( x ) = x 2 x 1 f(x) = x^2 - x-1

Then f ( f ( 3 ) f ( 2 ) f ( 1 ) ) = f ( ( 9 3 1 ) ( 4 2 1 ) 1 1 1 ) = f ( 4 1 ) = ( 4 ) 2 ( 4 ) 1 = 16 + 4 1 = 19 f( \frac{f(3) - f(2)} {f(1)}) = f(\frac{(9-3-1) - (4-2-1)}{1-1-1}) = f(\frac{4}{-1}) = (-4)^2 -(-4) -1 = 16 + 4 - 1 = 19

Sudesh Yadav
Apr 6, 2014

Replace x by (3x+1)/2 This will give f(x)

Maharnab Mitra
Apr 8, 2014

From f ( 2 x 1 3 ) f( \frac{2x-1}{3}) we need to find f ( x ) f(x) .

Let's find f ( k ) f(k) for some real number k k .

So, what should we put in place of x x to get k k ?
2 x 1 3 = k x = 3 k + 1 2 \frac{2x-1}{3} =k \implies x= \frac{3k+1}{2}

Thus, we obtain f ( k ) = 4 ( 3 k + 1 2 ) 2 10 ( 3 k + 1 2 ) 5 9 f ( k ) = k 2 k 1 f ( x ) = x 2 x 1 f(k) = \frac { 4 ( \frac{3k+1}{2})^2 -10 (\frac{3k+1}{2}) -5}{9} \implies f(k) = k^2 -k-1 \implies f(x) = x^2-x-1

So, we get f ( 1 ) = 1 , f ( 2 ) = 1 , f ( 3 ) = 5 f(1)=-1, f(2)=1, f(3)=5 .

Putting this values according to the question, we find f ( 5 1 1 ) = f ( 4 ) = 19 f(\frac{5-1}{-1}) =f(-4) =\boxed{19}

Penti Rohit
Apr 9, 2014

By looking at given equation it can be concluded that f(x)=x^2-x-1. Then it becomes very simple. f(3)=5;f(2)=1;f(1)=-1.required answer is 19

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