Find the sum of all positive integers c such that for some positive integers a and b { a ! ⋅ b ! = c ! a + b = c + 3 .
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Nice solution: complete and clear!
I am confused after the 7! part. May I ask why the minimum value of the RHS occurs when a=b?
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We assumed without loss of generality that a ≤ b . We can make that assumption because if there is a case with a > b then we can swap a and b over and then apply the same reasoning.
Hopefully it's clear that if b = a , then ( b + 1 ) ( b + 2 ) . . . is less than if b is some value greater than a .
Yes I understood! :) thanks!
From the second equation, we can get that ( a + b ) ! = ( c + 3 ) ! , and dividing this by the first equation gives us ( a a + b ) = 6 ( 3 c + 3 ) . Let a + b = c + 3 = n . The problem reduces to finding which rows of Pascal's triangle have x and 6 x in them for some positive integer x .
Let a = 4 . Then 6 ( 3 n ) = ( 4 n ) → ( n − 4 ) ! ( n − 3 ) ! = 4 ! → n − 3 = 2 4 → c = 2 4 . Thus, ( a , b , c ) = ( 4 , 2 3 , 2 4 ) satisfies the equations. Continuing in this manner (increasing a by 1 and seeing if there is a positive integer solution for c ) gives us the following results:
a = 5 → ( c ) ( c − 1 ) = 5 ! = 1 2 0 → c ∈ Z +
a = 6 → ( c ) ( c − 1 ) ( c − 2 ) = 6 ! = 7 2 0 → c = 1 0
This last solution corresponds to the row n = 1 3 . We can quickly verify by inspection that there are no solutions for rows n < 1 3 , and there are clearly no other solutions for n > 1 3 , since we essentially checked them above.
Thus, there are only two possible values for c , namely 1 0 and 2 4 , and so our answer is 1 0 + 2 4 = 3 4 .
i used guess and check
Can you explain in more details why there are no solutions for n>13?
Without loss of generality, we can assume a ≥ b . To get a feel for the situation we try a = c − 1 .
This immedeately gives b = 4 from the second equation and c = b ! from the first. So c = 2 4 is one of the possibilities we seek.
Next we try a = c − 2 to get b = 5 from the second equation and c ∗ ( c − 1 ) = b ! from the first. Thus we get 1 2 0 = c ∗ ( c − 1 ) . Unfortunately this equation has no integer solutions.
Trying a = c − 3 similarly gives the equation 7 2 0 = c ∗ ( c − 1 ) ∗ ( c − 2 ) with solution c = 1 0 (and a = 7 , b = 6 ).
Trying a = c − 4 similarly gives us the equation 5 0 4 0 = c ∗ ( c − 1 ) ∗ ( c − 2 ) ∗ ( c − 3 ) with solution c = 1 0 (and a = 6 , b = 7 ).
Since we could assume a ≥ b , we have found all possibilities; c = 2 4 and c = 1 0 . This results in the answer 3 4 .
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Assume w.l.o.g. that a ≤ b . Combining the two conditions gives: a ! = b ! ( a + ( b − 3 ) ) ! = ( b + 1 ) ( b + 2 ) . . . . ( b + ( a − 3 ) )
We see that ( a − 3 ) must be at least 1 (otherwise this product has no terms). The first few potential solutions are, for clarity: 4 ! 5 ! 6 ! 7 ! 8 ! = ( b + 1 ) = ( b + 1 ) ( b + 2 ) = ( b + 1 ) ( b + 2 ) ( b + 3 ) = ( b + 1 ) ( b + 2 ) ( b + 3 ) ( b + 4 ) = ( b + 1 ) ( b + 2 ) ( b + 3 ) ( b + 4 ) ( b + 5 )
Working through this list, we find that the 4 ! and 6 ! lines have solutions: a = 4 , b = 2 3 , c = 2 4 a = 6 , b = 7 , c = 1 0 .
We can check that 5 ! = ( b + 1 ) ( b + 2 ) has no solution.
Now, when we get onto the 7 ! case and higher, we run into a problem. The minimum possible value for the r.h.s., which occurs when b = a , is a ! ( 2 a − 3 ) ! But for a = 7 , this expression is already greater than 7 ! .
We can easily show by induction (with a = 7 as the starting step) that a ! < a ! ( 2 a − 3 ) ! for all a ≥ 7 : ( a ! ) 2 ( a ! ) 2 ( a + 1 ) 2 ( a + 1 ) ! 2 < ( 2 a − 3 ) ! < ( 2 a − 3 ) ! ( a + 1 ) 2 < ( 2 a − 3 ) ! ( 2 a − 2 ) ( 2 a − 1 ) = ( 2 a − 1 ) ! < ( 2 ( a + 1 ) − 3 ) !
So we only have the two solutions we found earlier, c = 2 4 plus c = 1 0 gives 3 4 .