A Grey Ring

Geometry Level 2

Find the area of the shaded annulus.

π T 2 \pi T^2 π T 3 \pi T^3 π T \pi \sqrt{T} Cannot be determined

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11 solutions

Julian Poon
Oct 16, 2014

Consider this: hi hi So, the area of the shaded figure is A = π R 2 π r 2 A=\pi{R}^{2}-\pi{r}^{2} = π × ( R 2 r 2 ) =\pi\times({R}^{2}-{r}^{2}) Using Pythagoras Theorem, this is equals to π × ( T 2 ) \pi\times({T}^{2}) Since T 2 = R 2 r 2 {T}^{2}={R}^{2}-{r}^{2}

first in the problem, you need to state that both the shaded and non shaded figures are circles.

William Graf - 5 years, 6 months ago

I assumed these were both circles but this answer only works if we know the two circles were concentric. This was not stated.

Mike Metzger - 5 years, 4 months ago

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I agree. More information was definitely needed. You also need to assume that the line is tangential.

Geoff Pilling - 5 years, 2 months ago

this is the most clearly stated solution

daniel yang - 6 years, 8 months ago

i just found out interesting way....in option there was only one option which would give dimension to that of area , and was option b(dimension of t^2 is same A )...

Vishal Bharga - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Ya, didn't do any work...it was either none of them or whatever had the correct units...dimensional analysis is what they call it.

Luke Abers - 6 years, 8 months ago

It could have been option d......

so we cannot just resort to dimensional analysis.

Rajat Pathak - 5 years, 1 month ago

Nowhere is said the both figures are circles... Also the centre of those figures may not be same point. This mean that we do NOT have enough information and we can NOT determine the shaded area

Georgi Zh - 4 years, 7 months ago

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Agreed. A lot of assumptions need to made from the diagram. For clarity, those assumptions should be stated in the problem.

Geoff Pilling - 4 years, 7 months ago

By definition, an annulus is "is a ring-shaped object, a region bounded by two concentric circles." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annulus_(mathematics).

Robert Gill - 3 years, 5 months ago

Pythagorean theorem bro, uhhm so Pi times T squared can also be in this form 3.142 times T^2 in order to comply with what's given in the choices, right? LOL

Marvin Kenneth Tabor - 6 years, 8 months ago

i did the same!

Akansha Singh - 6 years, 8 months ago

Yeah..its the solution i also formulated but since it comes first so i dont post it anymore...thumbs up to you...5 stars

Christian Louis Callueng - 6 years, 7 months ago

I have understood it. Than you.

Nazrul Islam - 6 years, 7 months ago

u provided best solution

Muhammad Faizan - 6 years, 7 months ago

did not thought of using Pythogoras Theorem

Hon Ming Rou - 6 years, 7 months ago

easiest solution..good one..

Sourav Da Firenze - 6 years, 8 months ago
Tristan Shin
Oct 12, 2014

This is a common MathCounts question. The fast way to do it is as follows. The question never states the radius of any of the circles, but it doesn't matter. Because it didn't state the radius, we can assume that the inner circle has radius 0 0 . Thus, T T is the radius. If T T is the radius of a circle that is fully shaded in, then the area is π T 2 \pi * T^{2} , which is 3.142 t 2 \boxed {3.142*t^2} .

But you cannot assume it is 0; you must just call it "r" or some unknown. Your answer is for a specific case, not a general case.

Justin Hatt - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Yes you can. The value of r must work for all cases

jason jiang - 4 years, 6 months ago

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One of the answers is 'Cannot Be Determined', so therefore you cannot assume that it must work for all cases, you have to prove it.

Willem Monsuwe - 2 years, 8 months ago

How do we know that the figure is a circle? It doesn't look like a circle (in my browser). It looks like an ellipse, but we don't know that, either. And even if it's an ellipse, we don't know the shapes of the inner and outer ellipses. Also, it doesn't say that T is tangent to the inner circle/ellipse/whatever; it looks like it, but unless it says it, we can't assume it. Given the number of things about the figure that aren't specified, the area cannot be determined.

Stephen Malinowski - 4 years, 10 months ago

how can you say that'' T=radius =t " very funny ............ u mean inner circle is not present ....

VISHAL YASH - 6 years, 8 months ago

@VISHAL YASH It is not funny. The radius can be of any length here and if we consider a point circle having length approximately equal to zero then T is nothing but the radius of the circle. The length of the radius does not matter here and that is why not given. So we can assume the inner radius as zero.

Siddhartha Nayak - 6 years, 8 months ago

Shin's reasoning is quite logical and quicker. All that matters is just to find out the area of the shaded region so assuming r=0 is not invalid at all

Subatomic Towhid - 6 years, 8 months ago

I agree, it actually makes more sense if you do it that way...it then relates that the area, with its constraints, will always be the same whether r = 0 or if r = infinity.

Luke Abers - 6 years, 8 months ago

maybe the right answer was ''can't be determined'', perhaps because the radius of the circles were not specified so you couldn't be assuming the inner circle's radius is 0. I solved the question by integrating T T differential(theta)/2 from 0 to 2pi.

Roger AB - 3 years ago

right as R= 2r , t= sqrt (R^2- r^2 ) , t=1.732 * r , area shaded = pi R^2 - PI r^2 = 3 PI r^2 = 3.142*t^2

mohamed hamdy - 6 years, 8 months ago

DONT TELL WRONG SOLUTION

tushar ahooja - 6 years, 7 months ago
Will Jain
Oct 13, 2014

let radius of larger circle be R and smaller be r then, area of annulus =pi(R^2 - r^2) but , R^2 - r^2=T^2 and area=piT^2

But that isn't how it appears in the image; it looks like T is not the "donut width", but rather R. Also, R^2 - r^2 is not necessarily the donut width squared as quadratics will create some additional issues.

Justin Hatt - 6 years, 8 months ago

R^2 - r^2 = (R+r) * (R-r) now R-r = T but (R+r) is not known right ?

Ravish Kumar - 6 years, 8 months ago
Krishna Garg
Oct 15, 2014

We have two circles,Let r ans r1 be the radius of small and big circles.From centre if we draw lines to both points where T is shown we get right angled trianle.from this we find the area of Shaded region = pi r1 ^2 -pi( r1 ^2 - T ^2) = pi T^2 that is 3.142 xT^2 Ans K.K.GARG,India

This answer makes sense as it proves why the differences in the radii, each squared, equals T squared. Thank you.

Justin Hatt - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Thank you Justin Hatt!! I always try to go with basics to understand easily. K.K.GARG,India

Krishna Garg - 6 years, 8 months ago

Brilliant!

Vlado BeGood - 6 years, 8 months ago

Great! I am totally stumped.

Ramesh V - 6 years, 8 months ago

@Krishna Garg Why do you always write your name after posting a solution? Btw, good solution.

Anuj Shikarkhane - 6 years, 7 months ago

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To motivate others that there is no age for learning ,good that you noticed and appreciated the solution.Thanks.

Krishna Garg - 6 years, 7 months ago
Hemanth Koundinya
Oct 10, 2014

first imagine the radius of small circle to be 'r' and big circle be 'R' using these find the areas we get a1=pi r^2 for small circle a2=pi R^2 for big circle. subtract the area of big circle by smaller one then we get A= pi (R^2-r^2)----------(1) [using pythagoras theorem] we get R^2=r^2 +t^2------------(2) then t^2=(R^2-r^2)---------------------(3) substitute in equation 1 we get A=pi (t^2)---------------------(4)

Not very clear, Try using LaTeX

Stewart Feasby - 6 years, 8 months ago

The image given is of two ellipses and the solution given is that of two circles ! Please ensure that images are printed properly.

Chellappanpillai S. Radhakrishnan - 6 years, 8 months ago

B y By p y t h a g o r e a n pythagorean t h e o r e m theorem ,

T 2 = R 2 r 2 T^2=R^2 - r^2

A s h a d e d = A b i g c i r c l e A s m a l l c i r c l e = π R 2 π r 2 = π ( R 2 r 2 ) = π T 2 A_{shaded}=A_{big circle}-A_{small circle}=πR^2-πr^2=π(R^2-r^2)=πT^2

well... if one looks at the solution it is clear that the area can not be something like T^3 or T^0.5, so you are left with 2 options. I calculated it anyway, but please consider adding wiser solutions, otherwise it is too easy.

Vinit Béléy
Oct 16, 2014

Let us assume that the radius of the Inner circle is r, and radius of outer circle is R.

From the centre let us draw an inner radius line segment touching the tip of tangent, and draw the outer radius line segment where tangent touches the outer circle. By properties of tangents the line segments representing T, r and R form a right angled triangle, giving:

R² = r² + t²

We get : t² = R² - r²

Now, the required area is given by : Are of outer circle - Area of inner circle : Area = πR² - πr² = π(R² - r²) = πt² = 3.142 x t²

Unnikrishnan P V
Oct 31, 2014

Area = pi(bigger radius square-smaller radius square) By pythagoras theorem , t^2=R^2 - r^2 Area=pi * t^2

Arun Jp
Oct 16, 2014

This is a good question and an ow some relation.. A triangle satisfying Pythagoras Theorem is in there...

Mohamed Hamdy
Oct 16, 2014

as R= 2r t= sqrt (R^2- r^2 ) , t=1.732 * r , area shaded = piR^2 - PI r^2 = 3PI r^2 = 3.142*t^2

It appears that the shape is elliptical and the area of the shaded region cannot be calculated with the given data.

Kolli Venkateswarlu - 6 years, 8 months ago

I understand the solutions but Tis not equal to R-r. If you erect another tangent T prime and connect the points at which the two intersect the circle and Put R and r on the same line it is obvious. What am I missing?

Phil Wiese - 4 years, 5 months ago

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