Find the Distance

Geometry Level 4

Let Δ A B C \Delta ABC be the right triangle with side lengths A B = 15 AB = 15 , B C = 8 BC = 8 , and A C = 17 AC = 17 . Let D D be the point on the segment A C \overline{AC} between A A and C C whose distance to A A is 1, and let E E be the point on the segment A B \overline{AB} between A A and B B whose distance to A A is 3. Let F F be the point of intersection of the lines D E \overleftrightarrow{DE} and B C \overleftrightarrow{BC} . The distance B F BF can be written as a b \frac{a}{b} , where a a and b b are coprime positive integers. What is the value of a + b a+b ?


The answer is 11.

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9 solutions

James Lin
May 20, 2014

Let the foot of the perpendicular from D D to A B \overline{AB} be G G . Since A B C A G D \triangle ABC\sim \triangle AGD , we get that A G = 15 17 \overline{AG}=\frac{15}{17} and D G = 8 17 \overline{DG}=\frac{8}{17} . This means that G E = A E A G = 3 15 17 = 36 17 \overline{GE}=\overline{AE}-\overline{AG}=3-\frac{15}{17}=\frac{36}{17} . Also, B E = A B A E = 15 3 = 12 \overline{BE}=\overline{AB}-\overline{AE}=15-3=12 . Now, noting that G D E B F E \triangle GDE\sim \triangle BFE , we get that D G G E = B F B E \frac{\overline{DG}}{\overline{GE}}=\frac{\overline{BF}}{\overline{BE}} , and using D G = 8 17 \overline{DG}=\frac{8}{17} , G E = 36 17 \overline{GE}=\frac{36}{17} , and B E = 12 \overline{BE}=12 , we get that B F = 8 3 \overline{BF}=\frac 83 , giving an answer of 8 + 3 = 11 8+3=\boxed{11} .

This problem is simplified upon realizing that 8 15 17 8-15-17 is a right triangle.

There were numerous approaches to this problem, like coordinate geometry. Students who know Menelaus can also apply it to the transversal D E F DEF and triangle A B C ABC .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
S S
May 20, 2014

Drop the altitude from D D to A E \overline{AE} and have it intersect at G G . Now, note that Δ A B C Δ A G D \Delta ABC \sim \Delta AGD since A \angle A is shared and A B C = A G D = 9 0 \angle ABC = \angle AGD = 90^\circ . Also note that Δ G E D Δ B E F \Delta GED \sim \Delta BEF since B E F \angle BEF and G E D \angle GED are vertically opposite and D G E = F B E = 9 0 \angle DGE = \angle FBE = 90^\circ .

Since Δ A B C Δ A G D \Delta ABC \sim \Delta AGD , A G A D = A B A C = 15 17 \frac{AG}{AD} = \frac{AB}{AC} = \frac{15}{17} so A G = 1 × 15 17 \overline{AG} = 1\times \frac{15}{17} and E G = A E A G = 3 15 17 = 36 17 \overline{EG} = \overline{AE} - \overline{AG} = 3 - \frac{15}{17} = \frac{36}{17} .

Since Δ G E D Δ B E F \Delta GED \sim \Delta BEF , B F B E = D G E G = 8 / 17 36 / 17 \frac{BF}{BE} = \frac{DG}{EG} = \frac{8/17}{36/17} and B E = A B A E = 15 3 = 12 \overline{BE} = \overline{AB} - \overline{AE} = 15 - 3 = 12 so B F = 12 × 8 36 = 8 3 \overline{BF} = 12 \times \frac{8}{36} = \frac{8}{3} .

Our answer is 8 + 3 = 11 8 + 3 = \boxed{11} .

Jiayu Yi
May 20, 2014

Begin by drawing Δ A B C \Delta ABC on a two-dimensional Cartesian plane with A ( 0 , 15 ) A(0,15) , B ( 0 , 0 ) B(0,0) and C ( 8 , 0 ) C(8,0) .

Next, determine the coordinates of D D and E E .

The ratio of A D \overline{AD} to D C \overline{DC} is 1 17 \frac{1}{17} . Let G G be the foot of the perpendicular from D D to the x-axis. Since Δ D G C \Delta DGC is similar to Δ A B C \Delta ABC , the x-coordinate of D D is 1 17 B C = 8 17 \frac{1}{17}\overline{BC} = \frac{8}{17} and the y-coordinate of D D is ( 1 1 17 ) A B = 240 17 (1-\frac{1}{17})\overline{AB}=\frac{240}{17}

D ( 8 17 , 240 17 ) \Rightarrow D(\frac{8}{17},\frac{240}{17}) .

E E is 3 3 units below A A and its coordinates are obtained trivially.

E ( 0 , 12 ) \Rightarrow E(0,12)

With the coordinates of D D and E E , determine the equation of the line D E \overleftrightarrow{DE} .

y 240 17 = 240 17 12 8 17 0 ( x 8 17 ) y-\frac{240}{17} = \frac{\frac{240}{17}-12}{\frac{8}{17}-0}(x-\frac{8}{17})

D E : y = 9 2 x + 12 \Rightarrow \overleftrightarrow{DE}:y=\frac{9}{2}x+12

The line B C \overleftrightarrow{BC} lies along the x-axis, so the point of intersection of D E \overleftrightarrow{DE} and B C \overleftrightarrow{BC} , F F , is also the x-intercept of D E \overleftrightarrow{DE} . Substitute y = 0 y=0 into the equation of D E \overleftrightarrow{DE} and solve for x x to find F F .

0 = 9 2 x + 12 0=\frac{9}{2}x+12

F ( 8 3 , 0 ) \Rightarrow F(-\frac{8}{3},0)

Drop the negative to obtain the distance B F BF as 8 3 \frac{8}{3} , which is in the form a b \frac{a}{b} .

Therefore a + b = 8 + 3 = 11 a+b=8+3=11 .

Adrian Mendizabal
May 20, 2014

The solution involves three triangles to solve the problem: the biggest one A B C \bigtriangleup ABC , and the two triangles formed by the two lines D E \overleftrightarrow{DE} and B C \overleftrightarrow{BC} : D A E \bigtriangleup DAE and E B F \bigtriangleup EBF .

1. 1. Finding C A B \angle CAB via rt. A B C \bigtriangleup ABC using simple trigonometry, which is:

m C A B = cos 1 ( 15 17 ) m\angle CAB = \cos^{-1} (\frac {15}{17})

2. 2. Use Cosine Law to find D E \overline {DE} in D A E \bigtriangleup DAE :

We know that m C A B = cos 1 ( 15 17 ) = m D A E m\angle CAB = \cos^{-1} (\frac {15}{17}) = m\angle DAE . We first write the cosine law equation:

D E 2 = D A 2 + A E 2 2 ( A D ) ( A E ) cos D A E DE^2 = DA^2 + AE^2 -2(AD)(AE) \cos \angle DAE . Substituting the given, DA = 1, and AE = 3:

D E 2 = 1 2 + 3 2 2 ( 1 ) ( 3 ) cos ( cos 1 ( 15 17 ) ) DE^2 = 1^2 + 3^2 -2(1)(3) \cos (\cos^{-1} (\frac {15}{17})) .

We find that:

D E = 80 17 = 4 85 17 DE= \sqrt {\frac {80}{17}} = \frac {4\sqrt{85}}{17} .

3. 3. Find m A E D m\angle AED using Sine Law:

D E sin D A E = D A sin D E A \frac {\overline{DE}}{\sin \angle DAE} = \frac {\overline{DA}}{\sin \angle DEA}

By substituting the values we arrive at:

( 4 85 17 ) sin ( cos 1 ( 15 17 ) ) = 1 sin A E D \frac {(\frac {4\sqrt{85}}{17})}{\sin (\cos^{-1} (\frac {15}{17}))} = \frac {1}{\sin \angle AED }

By performing MPE:

sin A E D = 2 85 \sin \angle AED = \frac {2}{\sqrt{85}}

Therefore:

m A E D = sin 1 2 85 m\angle AED = \sin^{-1} \frac {2}{\sqrt{85}} .

4. 4. Use simple trigonometry to find B F \overline {BF} in right E B F \bigtriangleup EBF . Note: B E F = A E D \angle BEF = \angle AED by VAC theorem; and E B = 15 3 = 12 \overline {EB} = 15 - 3 = 12

B F = E B tan ( B E F ) \overline {BF} = \overline {EB} \tan ( \angle BEF)

By substitution:

B F = ( 12 ) tan ( sin 1 2 85 ) \overline {BF} = (12) \tan ( \sin^{-1} \frac {2}{\sqrt{85}})

Using the calculator:

B F = 8 3 = a b \overline {BF} = \frac {8}{3} = \frac {a}{b}

Therefore:

a + b = 8 + 3 = 11 a + b = 8 + 3 = 11 .

Calvin Lin Staff
May 13, 2014

The points D D , E E and F F are colinear and the Theorem of Menelaus tells us that A E E B B F F C C D D A = 1. \frac{AE}{EB} \cdot \frac{BF}{FC} \cdot \frac{CD}{DA} = 1. Noting that A E = 3 AE = 3 , E B = 12 EB = 12 , C D = 16 CD = 16 , D A = 1 DA = 1 , and F C = B F + 8 FC = BF + 8 gives us the equation 3 12 B F B F + 8 16 1 = 1 , \frac{3}{12} \cdot \frac{BF}{BF + 8} \cdot \frac{16}{1} = 1, from which we get B F B F + 8 = 1 4 . \frac{BF}{BF+8} = \frac{1}{4}. Clearing fractions leads to 4 B F = B F + 8 4 BF = BF + 8 and thus B F = 8 3 BF = \frac{8}{3} . So a b = 8 3 \frac{a}{b} = \frac{8}{3} and a + b = a + b = 11.

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Jordi Bosch - 6 years, 8 months ago
Patrick Lin
May 20, 2014

Let A, B, and C be at points (0, 15), (0, 0), and (8, 0), respectively. Then E is at (0, 12). Drawing a perpendicular from D to AB at G, we form similar triangles, so we have AG/AB = AD/AC = GD/BC. Solving, we get AG = 15/17 and DG = 8/17, so point D is at (8/17, 240/17).

The line through D and E goes through the points (0, 12) and (8/17, 240/17), so it has the form y = 9x/2 + 12. Since segment BC is on line y = 0, F is at the x-intercept of line DE; plugging in y = 0 gives x = -24/9, or -8/3. Then BF is also -8/3 since B is at the origin. Our answer is 8 + 3 = 11.

Saludar Jance
May 20, 2014
  1. find angle CAB using trigonometric functions. Angle CAB = 28.07 degrees.
  2. find segment DE by cosine law. (DE)^2 = 3^2 + 1^2 - 2 3 1*cos(28.07) DE = 2.169 units
  3. find angle DEA by sine law. sin (DEA) = (sin (28.07))/2.169 angle DEA = 12.53 degrees
  4. angle BEF = angle DEA (vertical angles are congruent) angle BEF = 12.53 degrees
  5. BE = BA - EA = 15 - 3 = 12 units
  6. to find segment BF in triangle BFE, use trigonometric functions. segment BF = BE tan (BEF) = 12 tan (12.53)
  7. segment BF = a/b = 8/3 units
  8. a+b = 8+3 = 11 units
Kiran Patel
May 20, 2014

All of you had made a diagram so I will continue from there.We are given a point D on AC, draw a perpendicular from D to any Point on BC,such that it become parallel to side AB.Let that point on BC be denoted by X.We know that BC=8, so let BX=p, so XC=8-p. Let BF=y.Now Applying the concept of similarity in ABC, we get AD/BX = CD/XC. Putting the values we get p=8/17., so 8-p=128/17.Then applying Pythagoras theorem in DXC, we get the perpendicular which we dropped from D equals to 240/17=DX .Now again applying the concept of similarity in FDX, we get FB/FX=EB/DX., Hence putting the values we get y=3/8.

Shunping Xie
May 20, 2014

Call point B the origin $(0,0)$ so A is $(15,0)$ and C is $(0,8)$. Then E would be $(12,0)$. Now drop a perpendicular from D to AB. We see that it creates a new triangle similar to ABC with hypotenuse 1. Thus, D would be $(15-\frac{15}{17},{8}{17})$. Now we find the equation of the line that contains D and E. the absolute value of the y- intercept would be our answer. The slope is $\frac{2}{9}$. Plug in $(12,0)$ to get b=$\frac{-8}{3}$ so the distance is $\frac{8}{3}$ and $8+3=\boxed{11}$.

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