Find The Length

Geometry Level 5

Let A B C \triangle ABC be a triangle with A B = 6 , B C = 7 , C A = 8. AB= 6, BC = 7, CA=8. Let P , Q P,Q be the feet of perpendiculars from B , C B,C on C A , A B CA,AB respectively. Let B P BP and C Q CQ meet at H , H, and let P Q PQ and B C BC meet at X . X. Line A X AX meets the circumcircle of A B C \triangle ABC at Y , Y, where Y A . Y \neq A. Lines H Y HY and B C BC intersect at J . J. Given that A J 2 = m n AJ^2 = \dfrac{m}{n} for some coprime positive integers m , n , m,n, find m + n . m+n.


The answer is 155.

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2 solutions

First let's calculate the area of A B C \triangle ABC using Heron's formula: Δ = ( 6 + 8 + 4 ) ( 6 + 8 4 ) ( 6 8 + 4 ) ( 6 + 8 + 4 ) 4 = 21 15 4 \Delta=\sqrt{\dfrac{(6+8+4)(6+8-4)(6-8+4)(-6+8+4)}{4}}=\dfrac{21 \sqrt{15}}{4} Find the length of the heights P B PB and Q C QC using the formula of the area of triangle knowing base and height:

Δ = 8 P B 2 P B = 21 15 16 \Delta=\dfrac{8PB}{2} \Rightarrow PB=\dfrac{21 \sqrt{15}}{16}

Δ = 6 Q C 2 Q C = 7 15 4 \Delta=\dfrac{6QC}{2} \Rightarrow QC=\dfrac{7 \sqrt{15}}{4}

Using Pythagorean theorem on B P C \triangle BPC and B Q C \triangle BQC , find P C PC and B Q BQ respectively:

P B 2 + P C 2 = B C 2 P C = 77 16 PB^2+PC^2=BC^2 \Rightarrow PC=\dfrac{77}{16}

Q C 2 + B Q 2 = B C 2 B Q = 7 4 QC^2+BQ^2=BC^2 \Rightarrow BQ=\dfrac{7}{4}

Find A Q AQ and A P AP :

A Q = A B B Q = 17 4 AQ=AB-BQ=\dfrac{17}{4}

A P = A C P C = 51 16 AP=AC-PC=\dfrac{51}{16}

Find cos B A C \cos \angle BAC using cosines law:

cos B A C = A B 2 + A C 2 B C 2 2 × A B × A C = 17 32 \cos \angle BAC=\dfrac{AB^2+AC^2-BC^2}{2 \times AB \times AC}=\dfrac{17}{32}

Find P Q PQ using again cosines law:

P Q 2 = A Q 2 + A P 2 2 A Q × A P × cos B A C P Q = 119 32 PQ^2=AQ^2+AP^2-2AQ \times AP \times \cos \angle BAC \Rightarrow PQ=\dfrac{119}{32}

Find cos B P Q \cos \angle BPQ :

cos B P Q = P Q 2 + P B 2 B Q 2 2 × P Q × P B = 15 4 \cos \angle BPQ=\dfrac{PQ^2+PB^2-BQ^2}{2\times PQ \times PB}=\dfrac{\sqrt{15}}{4}

Now, move to the right triangle P C B \triangle PCB and find cos P C B \cos \angle PCB :

cos P C B = P C B C = 11 16 \cos \angle PCB=\dfrac{PC}{BC}=\dfrac{11}{16}

Now, move to the triangle P X C \triangle PXC :

We know that P X C + P C B + B P Q + 90 ° = 180 ° \angle PXC + \angle PCB + \angle BPQ + 90° = 180° , so: cos P X C = cos ( 90 ° P C B B P Q ) = sin ( P C B + B P Q ) \cos \angle PXC = \cos(90°-\angle PCB-\angle BPQ)=\sin(\angle PCB+\angle BPQ)

Use the Pythagorean identity and the double angle sum to find that sin P X C = 7 8 \sin \angle PXC=\dfrac{7}{8}

Use sines law to find B X BX :

P C sin P X C = B X + B C sin ( 90 ° + B P Q ) = B X + B C cos ( B P Q ) B X = 21 8 \dfrac{PC}{\sin \angle PXC}=\dfrac{BX+BC}{\sin(90°+\angle BPQ)}=\dfrac{BX+BC}{\cos(\angle BPQ)} \Rightarrow BX=\dfrac{21}{8}

Find cos A B C \cos \angle ABC :

cos A B C = A B 2 + B C 2 A C 2 2 × A B × B C = 1 4 \cos \angle ABC=\dfrac{AB^2+BC^2-AC^2}{2 \times AB \times BC}=\dfrac{1}{4}

Now, move to the triangle A B X \triangle ABX and find A X AX :

A X 2 = A B 2 + B X 2 2 × A B × B X × cos ( 180 ° A B C ) = A B 2 + B X 2 + 2 × A B × B X cos A B C A X = 57 8 AX^2=AB^2+BX^2-2\times AB \times BX \times \cos(180° \angle ABC)=AB^2+BX^2+2\times AB \times BX \cos \angle ABC \Rightarrow AX=\dfrac{57}{8}

By Power of a Point, we know that X Y × A X = B X × ( B X + B C ) XY \times AX=BX \times (BX+BC) , so X Y = 539 152 XY=\dfrac{539}{152}

Now, move to the triangle A X B \triangle AXB and find cos A X B \cos \angle AXB :

cos A X B = A X 2 + B X 2 A B 2 2 × A X × B X = 11 19 \cos \angle AXB=\dfrac{AX^2+BX^2-AB^2}{2 \times AX \times BX}=\dfrac{11}{19}

Now, move to the right triangle X Y J \triangle XYJ and find B J BJ :

cos A X B = X Y X J = X Y B X + B J B J = 7 2 \cos AXB=\dfrac{XY}{XJ}=\dfrac{XY}{BX+BJ} \Rightarrow BJ=\dfrac{7}{2}

Finally, move to the triangle A B J \triangle ABJ and find A J 2 AJ^2 :

A J 2 = A B 2 + B J 2 2 × A B × B J × cos A B C AJ^2=AB^2+BJ^2-2 \times AB \times BJ \times \cos \angle ABC

A J 2 = 151 4 AJ^2=\dfrac{151}{4}

Hence, m = 151 m=151 , n = 4 n=4 and m + n = 155 m+n=\boxed{155} .

Nice solution; pretty direct. You could geometrically prove that J J is the midpoint of B C BC (see my other comment) but I guess this is the natural approach.

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 6 years, 10 months ago

Wow. Just... wow. Is this the intended solution? It's so long and there is so much calculation; I bet there is an easier way. We just need to prove that J J is the midpoint of B C BC and we can easily find A J 2 AJ^2 by Stewart's theorem.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Okay here goes the intended solution.

Let A A' be the diametrically opposite point of A A on the circumcircle of A B C . \triangle ABC. Note that A B A B A B C H A'B \perp AB \implies A'B \parallel CH and similarly A C B H , A'C \parallel BH, so B A C H BA'CH is a parallelogram. Since the diagonals of a parallelogram bisect each other, H A HA' passes through the midpoint of B C . BC.

Extend A H A'H to meet the circumcircle of A B C \triangle ABC again at Y . Y'. Since H Y A Y , H Q A B HY' \perp AY', HQ \perp AB and H P A C , HP \perp AC, ( A E Q H P ) (AEQHP) is cyclic. Call this circle ω 1 . \omega _1 . Also, points B , C , P , Q B,C,P,Q lie on the circle with diameter B C . BC. Call this circle ω 2 . \omega_2 . Finally, let ω 3 \omega_3 be the circumcircle of A B C . \triangle ABC. Let rad ( γ 1 , γ 2 ) \text{rad}(\gamma_1, \gamma_2) denote the radical axis of circles γ 1 \gamma_1 and γ 2 . \gamma_2. Note that rad ( ω 1 , ω 2 ) = P Q rad ( ω 1 , ω 3 ) = A Y rad ( ω 2 , ω 3 ) = B C \text{rad} (\omega_1, \omega_2) = PQ \\ \text{rad} (\omega_1, \omega_3) = AY' \\ \text{rad} (\omega_2, \omega_3) = BC
so by the radical axis theorem, P Q , A Y , B C PQ, AY', BC are concurrent at their radical center X . X. Hence, X , Y , A X,Y',A are collinear, implying Y = Y . Y'=Y. This shows us that Y H YH passes through the midpoint of B C . BC.

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 6 years, 10 months ago

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A much simpler solution would be to let H H' be the reflection of H H about J J . Note that A B H C ABH'C is a cyclic quadrilateral. We have

< B H C = 180 < B A C = < B H C <BH'C = 180 - < BAC = < BHC

by the properties of the orthocenter , and so B H C H BH'CH is a parallelogram with diagonals H H HH' and B C BC' , thus implying that J J is the midpoint of B C BC .

Note that the arguement that you provided can then be used to prove that H H' and the A A' in your solution coincide.

billy bob - 6 years, 10 months ago

Yes, I noticed about it after submitting it, but I don't know why I always like to know the measure of every segment :D

By Stewart's theorem, like you say, we only had to find the length of the median A J AJ :

A J = 2 ( A B 2 + A C 2 ) B C 2 2 = 2 ( 36 + 64 ) 49 2 = 151 2 AJ=\dfrac{\sqrt{2(AB^2+AC^2)-BC^2}}{2}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2(36+64)-49}}{2}=\dfrac{\sqrt{151}}{2}

Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar - 6 years, 11 months ago

Projective things like pole, polar, and harmonic division goes well too. ;)

Ricky Theising - 6 years, 10 months ago
Steven Zheng
Aug 2, 2014

Use Apollonius Theorem of triangles! It becomes a 3 liner!

Sorry for the late reply. Here's the background: Apollonius Theorem

A B 2 + A C 2 = 2 ( A J 2 + 0.5 B C 2 ) {AB}^{2} + {AC}^{2} = 2({AJ}^{2} + {0.5BC}^{2})

Therefore 6 2 + 8 2 = 2 ( A J 2 + ( 7 2 ) 2 ) {6}^{2} + {8}^{2} = 2\left({AJ}^{2} + {\left(\frac{7}{2}\right)}^{2}\right) .

Isolating A J 2 {AJ}^{2} yields 151 4 \frac{151}{4} .

151 + 4 = 155

Care to be more elaborate?

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Here you go!

Steven Zheng - 6 years, 9 months ago

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