Find the Point

Geometry Level 4

A point ( x , y ) (x,y) in the first quadrant is 600 600 units closer to the point ( 500 , 0 ) (500,0) than to the point ( 500 , 0 ) (-500,0) and is a distance of 400 400 units away from the origin. The value of x x is 2 A \sqrt{2} A . Find A A .


The answer is 240.

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11 solutions

Zi Song Yeoh
May 20, 2014

Solving x , y > 0 , x 2 + y 2 = 400 , ( x 500 ) 2 + y 2 + 600 = ( x + 500 ) 2 + y 2 x,y >0, \sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = 400, \sqrt{(x - 500)^{2} + y^{2}} + 600 = \sqrt{(x + 500)^{2} + y^{2}} gives x = 240 2 , y = 80 7 x = 240\sqrt{2}, y = 80\sqrt{7} . Thus, A = 240 A = 240

Suppose M M is the ( x , y ) (x,y) point, B B is the ( 500 , 0 ) (-500,0) point, C C is the ( 500 , 0 ) (500,0) point and O O is the origin ( 0 , 0 ) (0,0) . Add the points. Draw a perpendicular M E ME from M M over B C BC . We have to find O E OE .

M B M C = 600 MB-MC=600 ,

O M = 400 OM=400 ,

B O = O C = 500 BO=OC=500

In Obtuse triangle ∆MOB , M B 2 = M O 2 + B O 2 + 2 B O . O E MB^2 = MO^2+BO^2+2BO.OE _ _ _ (1)

In Acute triangle ∆MOC , M C 2 = M O 2 + O C 2 2 O C . O E MC^2 = MO^2+OC^2-2OC.OE _ _ _ (2)

Substract (2) from (1)

M B 2 M C 2 = B O 2 O C 2 + 2 B O . O E + 2 O C . O E MB^2-MC^2 = BO^2-OC^2+2BO.OE+2OC.OE

( M B + M C ) ( M B M C ) = 4 B O . O E (MB+MC)(MB-MC) = 4BO.OE [As BO=CO]

( M B + M C ) × 600 = 4 × 500 × O E (MB+MC) \times 600 = 4 \times 500 \times OE

O E = 600 × ( M B + M C ) 2000 OE = \frac {600 \times (MB+MC)} {2000} _ _ _ (3)

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From M B M C = 600 MB-MC = 600

M B 2 = M C 2 + 1200 M C + 60 0 2 MB^2 = MC^2+1200MC+600^2

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M B 2 + M C 2 = 2 ( M O 2 + B O 2 ) MB^2+MC^2 = 2(MO^2+BO^2) [Apollonius theorem]

M C 2 + 1200 M C + 60 0 2 + M C 2 = 2 × ( 40 0 2 + 50 0 2 ) MC^2+1200MC+600^2+MC^2=2 \times (400^2+500^2)

2 M C 2 + 1200 M C 460000 = 0 2MC^2+1200MC-460000 = 0

M C 2 + 600 M C 230000 = 0 MC^2+600MC-230000 = 0

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Now using the formula x = b ± b 2 4 a c 2 a x = \frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}

M C = 400 × 2 300 MC = 400 \times \sqrt {2} - 300

Similarly, M B = 400 2 + 300 MB = 400 \sqrt {2} + 300

M B + M C = 800 2 MB+MC = 800 \sqrt {2}

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Put the value in (3)

O E = 600 × 800 2 2000 OE = \frac {600 \times 800 \sqrt {2} } {2000}

O E = x = 240 2 OE = x = 240 \sqrt {2}

So A = 240 A = 240

Ricky Theising
May 20, 2014

We have : ( x 500 ) 2 + y 2 = s q r t ( x + 500 ) 2 + y 2 600 \sqrt{(x-500)^2+y^2} = sqrt{(x+500)^2+y^2} - 600 and x 2 + y 2 = 400 \sqrt{x^2+y^2} = 400 . So, now we are just need to solve the following equation to get x.

Squaring both equations, we have : x 2 + y 2 = 160000 x^2+y^2 = 160000 and x 2 1000 x + 250000 + y 2 x^2-1000x+250000+y^2 = x 2 + 1000 x + 250000 + y 2 1200 x 2 + 1000 x + 250000 + y 2 + 360000 = x^2+1000x+250000+y^2-1200\sqrt{x^2+1000x+250000+y^2}+360000 ,

which give 1200 410000 + 1000 x = 2000 x + 360000 1200\sqrt{410000+1000x} = 2000x+360000 , 3 410000 + 1000 x = 5 x + 900 3\sqrt{410000+1000x} = 5x+900

Squaring again : 3690000 + 9000 x = 25 x 2 + 9000 x + 810000 3690000+9000x = 25x^2+9000x+810000 25 x 2 = 2880000 25x^2 = 2880000 x = 240 2 x = 240\sqrt{2} So, we get A = 240 A = 240

Solutions like this were marked incomplete. You have to explain why x = 240 2 x = 240 \sqrt{2} is a valid solution, especially given that you have squared the equations numerous times which could have introduced extraneous solutions.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Mirza Baig
May 20, 2014

From the difference in distances we get,

sqrt( ((x+500)^2) + (y^2) )) - sqrt( ((x-500)^2) + (y^2) ) = 600 (1)

From distance from origin we get,

sqrt( (x^2) + (y^2) ) = 400 (2)

Squaring (2), we get

(x^2) + (y^2) = 160000

Simplifying (1), we get

sqrt( (x^2) + (y^2) ) + 250000 + 1000x ) - sqrt( (x^2) + (y^2) + 250000 - 1000x ) = 600

Replacing (x^2) + (y^2) = 160000 and squaring gets,

410000 + 1000x + 410000 - 1000x - 2*( sqrt( (410000^2) - 1000000(x^2) ) ) = 360000

This gives, 230000 = sqrt( (410000^2) - 1000000(x^2) )

Squaring on both sides gets, (410000^2) - (230000^2) = 1000000(x^2)

(x^2) = 1152/100

Or x = 240*sqrt(2)

Thus A = 240

Ebrahiem Eladdad
May 20, 2014

In Analytic Geometry, the distance between two points a & b can be calculated using the following formula :

ab = \sqrt{(x 2-x 1)^2 + (y 2-y 1)^2} ,where a(x 1, y 1), b(x 2, y 2)

So, using this and the problem information, the following is true :

\sqrt{(x-500)^2 + y^2} + 600 = \sqrt{(x-(-500))^2 + y^2} \sqrt{x^2 - 1000x + 250000 + y^2} + 600 = \sqrt{x^2 + 1000x + 250000 + y^2} \rightarrow 1 \sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = 400 Then x^2 + y^2 = 160000 y^2 = 160000 - x^2 \rightarrow 2

By using y^2 from the second equation in the first equation, Then

\sqrt{x^2-1000x+250000+160000-x^2}+600 = \sqrt{x^2+1000x+250000+160000-x^2} then \sqrt{410000+1000x}-\sqrt{410000-1000x} = 600 \sqrt{4100+10x}-\sqrt{4100-10x} = 60 4100+10x+4100-10x-2 \sqrt{4100+10x} \sqrt{4100-10x} = 60 4100-\sqrt{4100+10x} \sqrt{4100-10x} = 1800 \sqrt{16810000-100x^2} = 2300 16810000-100x^2 = 5290000 x^2 = 168100-52900 = 115200 x = \sqrt{2} 240 = \sqrt{2}*A Then A = 240

Zachary Polansky
May 20, 2014

From the second condition, we get that x 2 + y 2 = 400 \sqrt{x^2+y^2}=400 or x 2 + y 2 = 160000 x^2+y^2=160000

From the first condition, we get that ( x 500 ) 2 + y 2 ( x + 500 ) 2 + y 2 = 600 \sqrt{(x-500)^2+y^2}-\sqrt{(x+500)^2+y^2}=600 x 2 1000 x + 250000 + y 2 x 2 + 1000 x + 250000 + y 2 = 600 \sqrt{x^2-1000x+250000+y^2}-\sqrt{x^2+1000x+250000+y^2}=600 substituting the first equation we found in, 1000 x + 250000 + 160000 1000 x + 250000 + 160000 = 600 \sqrt{-1000x+250000+160000}-\sqrt{1000x+250000+160000}=600 1000 x + 410000 1000 x + 410000 = 600 \sqrt{-1000x+410000}-\sqrt{1000x+410000}=600 squaring both sides gives, 1000 x + 410000 + 1000 x + 410000 2 168100000000 1000000 x 2 = 360000 -1000x+410000+1000x+410000-2\sqrt{168100000000-1000000x^2}=360000 (820000-2\sqrt{168100000000-1000000x^2}=360000) 2 168100000000 1000000 x 2 = 460000 -2\sqrt{168100000000-1000000x^2}=-460000 168100000000 1000000 x 2 = 230000 \sqrt{168100000000-1000000x^2}=230000 squaring again gives, 168100000000 1000000 x 2 = 52900000000 168100000000-1000000x^2=52900000000 1000000 x 2 = 115200000000 1000000x^2=115200000000 x 2 = 115200 x^2=115200 so x = 240 s q r t 2 x=240sqrt{2} and the A = 240 A=\boxed{240}

Akbarali Surani
May 20, 2014

Distance from origin to (x,y) is 400 so x^2+y^2=(400)^2 the question, mathematically, states that root((x+500)^2+y^2) + 600 = root((x-500)^2+y^2) =>root(400^2+500^2+1000x) + 600 = root(400^2+500^2-1000x) now, putting k^2=400^2+500^2 we get root(k^2+1000x) - root(k^2-1000x) = -600 squaring, 2k^2-2root(k^4-10^6x^2)=600^2 putting k^2 value and x^2=2A^2, 2A^2.10^6=(41^2-23^2).10^8 =>A=8.3.10=240

Chin Fong Wong
May 20, 2014

Since (x,y) is in first quadrant and is 600 units closer to (500,0) than (-500,0), then by using distance formula: ( x + 500 ) 2 + y 2 = ( x 500 ) 2 + y 2 + 600 \sqrt{(x+500)^2 + y^2} = \sqrt{(x-500)^2 + y^2} + 600 and (x,y) is 400 from origin, hence: x 2 + y 2 = 400 \sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = 400 and x 2 + y 2 = 40 0 2 x^2 + y^2 = 400^2 after substituting y 2 = 40 0 2 x 2 y^2 = 400^2 - x^2 into the first equation and further calculation for x 2 x^2 , we'll get x 2 = 115200 x^2 =115200 and x = 240 2 x = 240\sqrt{2} .Hence, A = 240 A=240

Abanoub Hanna
May 20, 2014

lets start with "a point (x,y) is a distance of 400 units away from the origin."

using distance between two points formula : \sqrt { (y2-y1)^2 + (x2-x1)^2 }

we get : \sqrt{(x-0)^2 + (y-0)^2)} = 400 removing sqrt we get x^2 + y^2 = 160000

so y^2 = 160000 - x^2 \rightarrow equ 1


assuming distance between point (x,y) and point (-500,0) is "z" using same formula:

z= \sqrt{(x+500)^2 + (y-0)^2} z^2= x^2 +1000x +250000 +y^2

eliminating y^2 by substituting from equ 1

we get :

z^2= 410000 +1000x \rightarrow equ 2


as " point (x,y) is 600 units closer to the point (500,0) than to the point (−500,0)" and if distance between point (x,y) and point (-500,0) is "z" then distance between point (x,y) and (500,0) must be 600 unit smaller . so distance between point(x,y) and point (500,0) equals "z-600" .

using same formula:

z-600 = \sqrt{(x-500)^2 + (y-0)^2} removing sqrt we get: (z-600)^2=(x-500)^2+y^2

z^2-1200z+360000=x^2-1000x+250000+y^2 z^2-1200z=x^2-1000x+y^2 - 110000 eliminating y^2 by substituting from equ 1

we get:

z^2-1200z=50000-1000x \rightarrow equ 3

by substituting with equ 2 in equ 3 z^2= 410000 +1000x \rightarrow equ 2 z=\sqr{410000 +1000x}

z^2-1200z=50000-1000x \rightarrow equ 3

we get:

410000 +1000x-1200(\sqr{410000 +1000x})=50000-1000x 2000x+360000-1200(\sqr{410000 +1000x})=0 2000x+360000=1200(\sqr{410000 +1000x}) 20x+3600=12(\sqr{410000 +1000x})

removing sqrt:

400x^2+(3600)^2+144000x=144(410000 +1000x) with some math 400x^2+(3600)^2+144000x=144000x+59040000

400x^2=46080000

so x^2=115200

given that x = \sqrt{2} \times A

\sqrt{115200}= \sqrt{2} \times A \frac {\sqrt{115200}}{\sqrt{2}} = A \sqr{\frac {115200}{2}} =A \sqr{57600}=A

so A =240

Aminul Islam
May 20, 2014

First quadrant means both x and y are positive,

First condition:

√(〖(x+500)〗^2+y^2 )-√(〖(x-500)〗^2+y^2 )=600----(i)

Second condition:

x^2 + y^2 =〖400〗^2---(ii)

From (i)

√(x^2+1000x+〖500〗^2+y^2 )+√(x^2-1000x+〖500〗^2+y^2 )=600

√(〖400〗^2+1000x+〖500〗^2 )+√(〖400〗^2-1000x+〖500〗^2 )=600-----[from (ii)---> x^2+y^2=〖400〗^2]

Squaring both sides

2 (〖400〗^2+〖500〗^2 )-2 √(〖(〖400〗^2+〖500〗^2)〗^2-〖(1000*x)〗^2 )=〖600〗^2

2 (〖400〗^2+〖500〗^2 )-〖600〗^2 = 2 √(〖(〖400〗^2+〖500〗^2)〗^2-〖(1000*x)〗^2 )

√(〖(〖400〗^2+〖500〗^2)〗^2-〖(1000*x)〗^2 ) = 230000

(1000*x)〗^2=〖〖〖(400〗^2+〖500〗^2)〗^2-230000〗^2

x =339.411255

√2 A=339.411255

A = 240

Calvin Lin Staff
May 13, 2014

The assertion that ( x , y ) (x,y) is 600 600 units closer to ( 500 , 0 ) (500,0) than to ( 500 , 0 ) (-500,0) means that ( x , y ) (x,y) is a point on the hyperbola x 2 30 0 2 y 2 50 0 2 30 0 2 = 1 \frac{x^2}{300^2} - \frac{y^2}{500^2 - 300^2} = 1 , subject to x > 0 x>0 . Note that 50 0 2 30 0 2 = 40 0 2 500^2 - 300^2 = 400^2 , so this equation can be simplified to x 2 30 0 2 y 2 40 0 2 = 1 \frac{x^2}{300^2} - \frac{y^2}{400^2} = 1 .

Additionally, since ( x , y ) (x,y) is 400 400 units from the origin, it must be a point on the circle x 2 + y 2 = 40 0 2 x^2 + y^2 = 400^2 . Therefore, y 2 40 0 2 = 1 x 2 40 0 2 \frac{y^2}{400^2} = 1 - \frac{x^2}{400^2} , so we can substitute this expression for y 2 40 0 2 \frac{y^2}{400^2} into the equation for the hyperbola and get x 2 30 0 2 1 + x 2 40 0 2 = 1 \frac{x^2}{300^2} - 1 + \frac{x^2}{400^2} = 1 . Hence, x 2 ( 40 0 2 + 30 0 2 ) = 2 ( 40 0 2 ) ( 30 0 2 ) x^2( 400^2 + 300^2) = 2 (400^2) (300^2) and x = 2 400 300 500 = 240 2 x = \frac{\sqrt{2}\cdot 400 \cdot 300}{500} = 240 \sqrt{2} . Thus, the value of A A we are looking for is 240 240 .

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