Finding a Product

a , b a, b and c c are distinct positive integers strictly greater than 1. If a b c abc divides ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) , what is the value of a b c abc ?


The answer is 30.

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23 solutions

Ahmad Zaky
May 20, 2014

( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) = a 2 b 2 c 2 a b c ( a + b + c ) + ( a b + b c + c a ) 1 (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) = a^2b^2c^2 - abc(a+b+c) + (ab+bc+ca) - 1 . So, the problem is equivalent with a b c a b + b c + c a 1 abc|ab+bc+ca-1 . Here, x y x|y means x x divides y y . Since a b + b c + c a 1 0 ab+bc+ca-1 \not= 0 , a b c a b + b c + c a 1 abc \le ab+bc+ca-1 must hold. The last inequality implies a b c < a b + b c + c a 1 < 1 a + 1 b + 1 c ( 1 ) abc < ab+bc+ca \Leftrightarrow 1 < \frac{1}{a} + \frac{1}{b} + \frac{1}{c} (1) .

Without loss of generality, assume that a < b < c a < b < c . If a 3 a \ge 3 , then b 4 b \ge 4 and c 5 c \ge 5 . Consequently, 1 a + 1 b + 1 c < 1 \frac{1}{a} + \frac{1}{b} + \frac{1}{c} < 1 , contradicting (1). So a = 2 a = 2 , and 1 2 < 1 b + 1 c ( 2 ) \frac{1}{2} < \frac{1}{b}+\frac{1}{c} (2) . Similarly, if b 4 b \ge 4 , then c 5 c \ge 5 and 1 b + 1 c < 1 2 \frac{1}{b}+\frac{1}{c} < \frac{1}{2} , a contradiction. So b = 3 b = 3 . Finally, 1 6 < 1 c \frac{1}{6} < \frac{1}{c} , which means the possible values for c c are 4 and 5. Checking into the original problem, we will see that c = 5 c = 5 is the only possible solution. So, a b c = 2 × 3 × 5 = 30 abc = 2\times 3 \times 5 = 30 .

Common mistakes.

  1. Claiming that the smallest number must be even and hence 2.

  2. Claiming that the numbers must be of the form ( a , a + 1 , 2 a + 1 (a, a+1, 2a+1 .

  3. Calculation mistakes which result in missing cases, or not considering the extra cases they introduced.

  4. Simply stating that ( 2 , 3 , 5 ) (2, 3, 5) is a solution, and not explaining why it is the only possible solution.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago

Beautifully done

Mehul Arora - 4 years, 8 months ago

Could you explain how you got inequality 1?

Sarthak Singla - 5 years, 6 months ago

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Divide both hands with the obviously positive abc

William Nathanael Supriadi - 5 years, 2 months ago

Yeah it contains lots of mistake

Magnas Bera - 1 year, 11 months ago

Nicely done.

Vimal Khetan - 1 year, 2 months ago
Michael Kural
May 20, 2014

Clearly a , b , c a,b,c are pairwise relatively prime since a b 1 m o d c ab\equiv 1 \mod c , so ( a , c ) = ( b , c ) = 1 (a,c)=(b,c)=1 and ( a , b ) = 1 (a,b)=1 similarly. Now since ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) = ( a b c ) 2 ( a + b + c ) ( a b c ) + a b + b c + c a 1 (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1)=(abc)^2-(a+b+c)(abc)+ab+bc+ca-1 , we know a b c a b + b c + c a 1 abc|ab+bc+ca-1 Since a b + b c + c a 1 ab+bc+ca-1 is clearly positive, we have a b c a b + b c + c a 1 abc\le ab+bc+ca-1 If a , b , c 3 a,b,c\ge 3 , then WLOG a < b < c a<b<c , so 3 b c a b c a b + b c + c a 1 < 3 b c 2 3bc\le abc\le ab+bc+ca-1<3bc-2 Which is a contradiction. So WLOG a = 2 a=2 . Then b , c b,c are odd, and b c 2 b 2 c + 4 5 bc-2b-2c+4\le 5 so ( b 2 ) ( c 2 ) 5 (b-2)(c-2)\le 5 Now assume b , c 4 b,c\ge 4 . Since they are distinct, this implies 6 = ( 5 2 ) ( 4 2 ) ( b 2 ) ( c 2 ) 5 6=(5-2)(4-2)\le (b-2)(c-2)\le 5 Which is a contradiction, so WLOG b = 3 b=3 . Finally, since c a b 1 = 5 c|ab-1=5 and c 1 c\neq 1 , we know c = 5 c=5 (which does give a solution), so a b c = 2 3 5 = 30 abc=2\cdot 3\cdot 5=\boxed{30} .

As given in the task statement, a b c ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( a c 1 ) abc \mid (ab-1)(bc-1)(ac-1) .

By expanding the expression on the right, we get: ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( a c 1 ) = a 2 b 2 c 2 a b c ( a + b + c ) + a b + b c + a c 1 (ab-1)(bc-1)(ac-1) = a^2b^2c^2 - abc(a + b + c) + ab + bc + ac - 1 . The first two elements of the expanded expression are clearly divisible by a b c abc , hence we can conclude that a b c a b + b c + a c 1 abc \mid ab + bc + ac - 1 , which can also be written as

a b + b c + a c 1 = k a b c ab + bc + ac - 1 = kabc

for some integer k 1 k \ge 1 . Now let's try and determine k k . First of all notice that because a , b , c > 1 a, b, c > 1 , a b + b c + a c 1 > 0 \underline{ab + bc + ac - 1 > 0} . Also, a b a b c 2 ab \le \frac{abc}{2} , b c a b c 2 bc \le \frac{abc}{2} and a c a b c 2 ac \le \frac{abc}{2} .

We can sum the previous three inequalities together to get a b + b c + a c 3 2 a b c ab + bc + ac \le \frac{3}{2}abc , hence a b + b c + a c 1 < 3 2 a b c \underline{ab + bc + ac - 1 < \frac{3}{2}abc} .

From the underlined inequalities we can deduce that 0 < k < 3 2 0 < k < \frac{3}{2} , and hence the only possible integral solution to this is k = 1 k = 1 . We have successfully derived that a b + b c + a c 1 = a b c ab + bc + ac - 1 = abc .

Now, assume a , b , c 3 a, b, c \ge 3 . From this we could derive, similarly to the way we did before, that a b a b c 3 , b c a b c 3 , a c a b c 3 ab \le \frac{abc}{3}, bc \le \frac{abc}{3}, ac \le \frac{abc}{3} . Adding the inequalities together yields a b + b c + a c 1 a b c 1 ab + bc + ac - 1 \le abc - 1 , which is contradictory to the relation we have proven before, implying our assumption was wrong; hence, at least one of the integers a , b , c a,b,c must be equal to 2.

Let a = 2 a=2 . Substituting the value in the obtained relation, we have 2 b + b c + 2 c 1 = 2 b c 2b + bc + 2c - 1 = 2bc , i.e.

( b 2 ) ( c 2 ) = 3 (b-2)(c-2) = 3 .

Since b , c 2 b, c \ge 2 , the only possible factorization of 3 we could use in this case is 1 3 1 * 3 , hence we can let b = 3 , c = 5 b = 3, c = 5 . Finally, we may calculate the desired value: a b c = 2 3 5 = 30 \boxed{abc = 2 * 3 * 5 = 30}

Ryan Soedjak
May 20, 2014

Expanding ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) gives a 2 b 2 c 2 a 2 b c a b 2 c a b c 2 + a b + b c + a c 1 a^2b^2c^2-a^2bc-ab^2c-abc^2+ab+bc+ac-1 . Since a 2 b 2 c 2 0 ( m o d a b c ) a^2b^2c^2\equiv0\pmod{abc} and a 2 b c a b c 2 a b c 2 = a b c ( a b c ) 0 ( m o d a b c ) -a^2bc-abc^2-abc^2=abc(-a-b-c)\equiv0\pmod{abc} , the question is reduced to finding distinct positive integers a a , b b , and c c such that a b + b c + a c 1 a b c \frac{ab+bc+ac-1}{abc} is an integer. WLOG, let a < b < c a<b<c . We have a b + b c + a c 1 a b c = 1 a + 1 b + 1 c 1 a b c \begin{aligned} \frac{ab+bc+ac-1}{abc}&=&\frac1a+\frac1b+\frac1c-\frac1{abc} \end{aligned} Note that the maximum of 1 a + 1 b + 1 c \frac1a+\frac1b+\frac1c is when a = 2 a=2 , b = 3 b=3 , and c = 4 c=4 . This gives 1 2 + 1 3 + 1 4 = 13 12 \frac12+\frac13+\frac14=\frac{13}{12} , which is greater than 1 but less than 2. Therefore, we need 1 a + 1 b + 1 c 1 a b c = 1 \frac1a+\frac1b+\frac1c-\frac1{abc}=1 .

We will prove that the only solution is a = 2 a=2 , b = 3 b=3 , and c = 5 c=5 . If a 2 a\not=2 , then the maximum value of 1 a + 1 b + 1 c \frac1a+\frac1b+\frac1c occurs when a = 3 a=3 , b = 4 b=4 , c = 5 c=5 . This gives 1 3 + 1 4 + 1 5 = 47 60 < 1 \frac13+\frac14+\frac15=\frac{47}{60}<1 , so there are no solutions. Thus, a = 2 a=2 . If b 3 b\not=3 , then the maximum value of 1 2 + 1 b + 1 c \frac12+\frac1b+\frac1c occurs when b = 4 b=4 and c = 5 c=5 . This gives 1 2 + 1 4 + 1 5 = 19 20 < 1 \frac12+\frac14+\frac15=\frac{19}{20}<1 , so b = 3 b=3 .

We can now solve for c c from the equation 1 2 + 1 3 + 1 c 1 6 c = 1 \frac12+\frac13+\frac1c-\frac1{6c}\;\;=\;\;1 Solving gives c = 5 c=5 . Therefore, a b c = 30 abc=\boxed{30} .

Suppose that a b c abc divides ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) , then exist an integer t t such that a b c t = ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) abct = (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) . If two or more of a a , b b or c c is even, then the product ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) will be odd, hence at most one of a a , b b or c c is even.

As a b c t = ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) = a 2 b 2 c 2 a 2 b c a b 2 c a b c 2 + a b + a c + b c 1 abct = (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) = a^2b^2c^2 - a^2bc - ab^2c - abc^2 + ab + ac +bc -1

then a b c abc divide a b + a c + b c 1 ab +ac + bc -1 , so that a b c a b + a c + b c 1 < a b + a c + b c abc \leq ab + ac + bc - 1 < ab + ac + bc Hence 1 < 1 a + 1 b + 1 c 1 < \frac{1}{a} + \frac{1}{b} + \frac{1}{c}

Then, the sets of integers strictly greater than 1 which satisfy the above inequality are { 2 , 3 , 4 } \{2,3,4\} and { 2 , 3 , 5 } \{2,3,5\} , but the first set may not be the solution because it has two even numbers. Therefore a b c = 2 3 5 = 30 abc = 2\cdot3\cdot5 = 30

Really nice I did in the same way but I considered that the gcd will be 1

Eddie The Head - 7 years, 4 months ago
Happy Melodies
Dec 2, 2013

Intuitively, I first expanded ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) ------------ (1) into

a 2 b 2 c 2 a 2 b c a b 2 c a b c 2 + a b + b c + c a 1 a^{2}b^{2}c^{2} - a^{2}bc - ab^{2}c - abc^{2} + ab +bc +ca -1 .
Then I observed that this expansion is simply a b + b c + c a 1 ( m o d a b c ) \equiv ab + bc +ca -1 \pmod{abc} .

This tells us that for (1) to be divisible by a b c abc , a b c a b + b c + c a 1 abc | ab +bc +ca -1 . Thus, a b c a b + b c + c a 1 abc \leq ab +bc +ca -1 .

Since, the question asks for a , b a,b and c c to be distinct positive integers strictly greater than 1 1 , note that the smallest a b c = 2 3 4 = 24 abc = 2*3*4 = 24 . Using trial and error, when ( a , b , c ) = ( 2 , 3 , 4 ) (a,b,c) = (2,3,4) , a b c a b + b c + c a 1 abc \nmid ab +bc +ca -1 . The next smallest ( a , b , c ) = ( 2 , 3 , 5 ) (a,b,c) = (2,3,5) works. Hence, a b c = 2 3 5 = 30 abc = 2*3*5 = \boxed {30} .

Note that any a b c > 30 abc > 30 will lead to a b c > a b + b c + c a 1 abc > ab +bc +ca -1 , hence not fulfilling the above conditions. Thus, no other solutions are possible. [I am not sure why so though. Hopefully someone can post a more insightful solution.]

Uniqueness is fairly easy: note that 1 / a + 1 / b + 1 / c 1 / a b c 1/a + 1/b + 1/c - 1/abc must be a positive integer, so in particular 1 / a + 1 / b + 1 / c > 1 1/a + 1/b + 1/c > 1 . Assume WLOG that 2 a < b < c 2\le a< b < c , Then surely b = 3 b=3 , for if b 4 b \ge 4 we would have 1 / a + 1 / b + 1 / c 1 / 2 + 1 / 4 + 1 / 5 < 1 1/a + 1/b + 1/c \le 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/5 < 1 ; thus also a = 2 a=2 and 1 / c > 1 1 / a 1 / b = 1 / 6 1/c > 1-1/a-1/b = 1/6 so c < 6 c < 6 .

Erick Wong - 7 years, 6 months ago

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True... Thanks for enlightening me :)

Happy Melodies - 7 years, 6 months ago

What does this 'mod' function actually mean? Does it relates to modulus anyhow?

Ninad Akolekar - 7 years, 6 months ago

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When you use a 'Mod' function, you are interested in the remainder, instead of the quotient.

For example since 5 = 1 ( 3 ) + 2 5 = 1(3) +2 , when 5 5 is divided by 3 3 , the quotient is 1 1 and remainder is 2 2 . Alternatively, representing this in a modulus, we get 5 2 ( m o d 3 ) 5 \equiv 2 \pmod 3 .

In the question above, notice that the terms a 2 b 2 c 2 a 2 b c a b 2 c a b c 2 a^{2}b^{2}c^{2} - a^{2}bc - ab^{2}c - abc^{2} in the expanded equation are clearly divisible by a b c abc . What's left in the expansion are the terms a b + b c + c a 1 ab +bc +ca -1 . Thus, we can say that the remainder of the expansion is equal to a b + b c + c a 1 ab +bc +ca -1 . And this is represented using the 'mod' function as a b + b c + c a 1 ( m o d a b c ) \equiv ab +bc +ca -1 \pmod {abc} .

Following this, we know that for the equation to be divisible by a b c abc , the remainder has to be 0 0 which means that a b + b c + c a 1 0 ( m o d a b c ) ab +bc +ca -1 \equiv 0 \pmod{abc} . This in turns implies that a b c abc divides a b + b c + c a 1 ab +bc +ca -1 .

The rest of the solution follows. :)

Happy Melodies - 7 years, 6 months ago

I essentially reasoned it the same way, with a little more jargon. I simply used the cyclic group of order a b c abc ( id est , the additive group Z / a b c Z \mathbb{Z}/abc\mathbb{Z} up to isomorphism) and pretended that the products took place inside the ring Z \mathbb{Z} . Everything was simple irreducibility arguments from then on.

Jacob Erickson - 7 years, 6 months ago

Notice how the problem becomes almost trivial if we are told that a,b,c are primes. Hmm, can we prove that a,b,c must be primes? (thus, greatly simplifying the problem)

Arkan Megraoui - 7 years, 6 months ago
黎 李
May 20, 2014

1/a+1/b+1/c-1/abc is integer, less than 1/2+1/3+1/4<2 so must be 1, and a,b,c must be 2,3,5

Wahyu Py
May 20, 2014

Since a b c abc divides ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) , it should divides a b + b c + c a 1 ab+bc+ca-1 , and thus a b c a b + b c + c a 1 abc \leq ab+bc+ca-1 . Without loss of generality, we can assume a < b < c a <b<c . Now for a 3 a \geq 3 , we have 3 ( a b + b c + c a 1 ) < 3 a b c 3 < 3 a b c 3(ab+bc+ca-1) < 3abc-3 <3abc which lead to contradiction. Thus we must have a = 2 a=2 . For b 4 b \geq 4 , we have 2 ( a b + b c + c a 1 ) < 4 b c 2 < 2 a b c 2(ab+bc+ca-1) <4bc-2 <2abc which lead to contradiction. Thus we must have b = 3 b=3 and we have 6 c 6c divides 5 c + 5 5c+5 , which give c = 5 c=5 as the only positive integer solution. Thus a b c = 30 abc=30 .

Cassio Sousa
May 20, 2014

If a b c abc divides ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) , then a b c abc divides a b + a c + b c 1 ab+ac+bc - 1 , because:

( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) = a 2 b 2 c 2 a 2 b c a b 2 c a b c 2 (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) = a^2b^2c^2-a^2bc-ab^2c-abc^2

+ a b + a c + b c 1 = a b c ( a b c a b c ) + a b + a c + b c 1 +ab+ac+bc-1 = abc(abc-a-b-c) + ab + ac + bc - 1 .

Therefore, we only need to see if a b + a c + b c 1 ab + ac + bc - 1 is divisible by a b c abc . However, consider that a = b = c = 3 a=b=c=3 (which is clearly not a possible set to this problem). Using this set, we may see that:

a b + a c + b c 1 a b c = 26 27 < 1 \frac{ab + ac + bc - 1}{abc} = \frac{26}{27} < 1 ,

that is, if m i n { a , b , c } = 3 min\{a,b,c\} = 3 , then a b c abc will already be higher than a b + a c + b c 1 ab+ac+bc-1 . That's easy to see, because:

a b + a c + b c 1 a b c = 1 a + 1 b + 1 c 1 a b c < 1 a + 1 b + 1 c 3 m i n { a , b , c } 1 \frac{ab+ac+bc-1}{abc} = \frac{1}{a} + \frac{1}{b} + \frac{1}{c} - \frac{1}{abc} < \frac{1}{a} + \frac{1}{b} + \frac{1}{c} \leq \frac{3}{min\{a,b,c\} } \leq 1 if m i n { a , b , c } 3 min\{a,b,c\} \geq 3 .

Knowing this, it's easy to see that one of our values is 2 2 . Let's say that a = 2 a=2 . Using the same process used above

2 ( b + c ) + b c 1 2 b c = 1 b + 1 c + 1 2 1 2 b c < 1 b + 1 c + 1 2 1 2 + 2 m i n { b , c } 1 \frac{2(b+c) + bc - 1}{2bc} = \frac{1}{b} + \frac{1}{c} + \frac{1}{2} - \frac{1}{2bc} < \frac{1}{b} + \frac{1}{c} + \frac{1}{2} \leq \frac{1}{2} + \frac{2}{min\{b,c\} } \leq 1 , which is only valid if m i n { b , c } 4 min\{b,c\} \geq 4 .

Therefore, we may conclude that one of our numbers is 3 3 . Let's say that b = 3 b=3 . Using the previous process:

a b + a c + b c 1 a b c = 5 + 5 c 6 c = 5 6 c + 5 6 1 \frac{ab + ac + bc - 1}{abc} = \frac{5 + 5c}{6c} = \frac{5}{6c} + \frac{5}{6} \leq 1 if c 5 c \geq 5 .

Therefore, our only possibilities are c = 4 c=4 or c = 5 c=5 . It's easy to see that c = 4 c=4 is not a solution, because:

a b + a c + b c 1 a b c = 25 24 \frac{ab + ac + bc - 1}{abc} = \frac{25}{24} .

This shows us that c = 5 c=5 (it's easy to see that this is a solution to the problem). Therefore, a b c = 30 abc=30 .

Riccardo Zanotto
May 20, 2014

Let n = ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) n= (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) . We have n = a 2 b 2 c 2 a 2 b c a b 2 c a b c 2 + a b + b c + c a 1 n = a^2b^2c^2-a^2bc-ab^2c-abc^2+ab+bc+ca-1 So a b c n a b c a b + b c + c a 1 abc\mid n\iff abc\mid ab+bc+ca-1 but if a b c a b + b c + c a 1 abc\mid ab+bc+ca-1 then it must be a b c a b + b c + c a 1 ( 1 ) abc\le ab+bc+ca-1 \ (1) since a , b , c a,b,c are positive integers. Now let WLOG a b c a\ge b\ge c (we can do it because the inequality is symmetric) so we must have a b c a b + b c + c a 1 3 a b 1 abc\le ab+bc+ca-1\le 3ab-1 i.e. a b ( 3 c ) 1 ab(3-c)\ge1 If c 3 c\ge3 we would have 0 a b ( 3 c ) 1 0\ge ab(3-c)\ge1 , clearly impossible, so we must have c = 2 c=2 Now, back to the text: we must have c a b c ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) c\mid abc\mid (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) but ( c , b c 1 ) = 1 (c,bc-1)=1 and ( c , c a 1 ) = 1 (c,ca-1)=1 so it must be c a b 1 c\mid ab-1 i.e 2 a b 1 2\mid ab-1 so a a and b b must be odd (if at least one of the two is even, then a b 1 ab-1 is odd). Back to ( 1 ) (1) an substitute c = 2 c=2 : we must have 2 a b 2 a + 2 b + a b 1 2ab\le 2a+2b+ab-1 that is a b 2 a 2 b + 1 0 ab-2a-2b+1\le0 and adding 3 and factoring ( a 2 ) ( b 2 ) 3 ( 2 ) (a-2)(b-2)\le 3 \ (2) If b 4 b\ge4 we would have 4 ( b 2 ) ( b 2 ) ( a 2 ) ( b 2 ) 3 4\le(b-2)(b-2)\le(a-2)(b-2)\le3 , impossible. So, b b can be only 2 2 or 3 3 , but since it must be odd b = 3 b=3 Now, putting b = 3 b=3 in ( 2 ) (2) we have a 5 a\le5 , i.e. a = 3 , 5 a=3,5 Checking, we have 18 = 3 3 2 ( 3 3 1 ) ( 3 2 1 ) ( 2 3 1 ) = 8 5 5 18=3\cdot3\cdot2\mid(3\cdot3-1)(3\cdot2-1)(2\cdot3-1)=8\cdot5\cdot5 clearly false, but 30 = 5 3 2 ( 5 3 1 ) ( 3 2 1 ) ( 2 5 1 ) = 14 5 9 30=5\cdot3\cdot2\mid(5\cdot3-1)(3\cdot2-1)(2\cdot5-1)=14\cdot5\cdot9 is true, so ( a , b , c ) = ( 5 , 3 , 2 ) (a,b,c)=(5,3,2) satisfies the condition and is the only triple that works. Hence we finally have a b c = 5 3 2 = 30 abc=5\cdot3\cdot2=\boxed{30}

Elvin Gu
May 20, 2014

( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) = a 2 b 2 c 2 a 2 b c a b 2 c a b c 2 + a b (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) = a^2b^2c^2-a^2bc-ab^2c-abc^2+ab

+ a c + b c 1 +ac+bc-1

a 2 b 2 c 2 a 2 b c a b 2 c a b c 2 + a b + a c + b c 1 a b c = a b c a b c + 1 a + 1 b + 1 c 1 a b c \frac{a^2b^2c^2-a^2bc-ab^2c-abc^2+ab+ac+bc-1}{abc} = abc-a-b-c+\frac{1}{a}+\frac{1}{b}+\frac{1}{c}-\frac{1}{abc}

Now 1 a + 1 b + 1 c 1 a b c \frac{1}{a}+\frac{1}{b}+\frac{1}{c}-\frac{1}{abc} has to be an integer.

Clearly this must equal one, since it cannot be 0 0 or 2 2 . This also means that the least of a , b , c a,b,c cannot be greater than 3 3 since 1 4 + 1 4 + 1 4 1 64 < 1 \frac{1}{4}+\frac{1}{4}+\frac{1}{4}-\frac{1}{64} < 1 .

Setting a a as 2 2 , 1 2 + 1 b + 1 c 1 2 b c = 1 \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{b}+\frac{1}{c}-\frac{1}{2bc} = 1

2 b + 2 c 1 2 b c = 1 2 2 b c = 4 b + 4 c 2 ( b 2 ) ( c 2 ) = 4 \frac{2b+2c-1}{2bc} = \frac{1}{2} \Rightarrow 2bc = 4b+4c-2 \Rightarrow (b-2)(c-2) = 4 which yields ( 2 , 3 , 5 ) (2,3,5) as a solution.

2 3 5 = 60 2*3*5 = 60 is then the answer

Typo, last line 30 not 60.

Niranjan Khanderia - 4 years, 10 months ago
Huafeng Xu
Dec 4, 2013

Assuming a < b < c a<b<c , since a b c a b + b c + a c 1 abc|ab+bc+ac-1 , a b c < 3 b c 1 abc<3bc-1 , thus a < 3 a<3 . a a can only be 2. We have then 2 b c 2 ( b + c ) + b c 1 2bc|2(b+c) + bc - 1 . Again, because 2 ( b + c ) < 2 b c 2(b+c)<2bc , we have ( 2 ( b + c ) + b c 1 ) / 2 b c < 3 / 2 (2(b+c) + bc -1) / 2bc < 3/2 , therefore 2 ( b + c ) + b c 1 = 2 b c 2(b+c) + bc - 1 = 2bc , or b c = 2 ( b + c ) 1 < 4 c 1 bc = 2(b+c) -1 < 4c - 1 . So b 3 b\leq3 , which means b = 3 b=3 . Solving for c c gives c = 5 c=5 .

Ahaan Rungta
Dec 2, 2013

Notice that ( a , b , c ) = ( 2 , 3 , 5 ) (a,b,c) = (2,3,5) works, so the answer is 30 \boxed {30} .

How do you ensure the uniqueness of your solution?

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 6 months ago

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I didn't. :P

Ahaan Rungta - 7 years, 6 months ago

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Your solution is incomplete then.

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 6 months ago

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Sagnik Saha - 7 years, 6 months ago

Isn't uniqueness of the product, a b c abc , implied by the question?

"[...] what is the value of abc?"

The problem is to find a solution, not a proof. Though it's more complete to prove uniqueness if you can, of course.

Ben Frankel - 7 years, 6 months ago

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Not quite. To justify your answer, you have to show the one you get is the only possible one.

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 6 months ago

Motivation : Note that, if at least one of a a , b b , and c c is even, then exactly one of them has to be even, because one of the factors b c 1 bc - 1 must be even, so b c bc is odd, so b , c b, c are odd. Let this be 2 2 because why-not. Then, we want odds, so try the first two odds. This works. Yay.

Ahaan Rungta - 7 years, 6 months ago
Yoga Nugraha
Dec 27, 2015

Just take (ab - 1), ignore the other, because what control divisible only : a b 1 a b c = k \frac{ab - 1}{abc} = k Then simplify : a b k k = a b c abk - k = abc a b ( k c ) = k ab(k - c) = k 1 c k = 1 a b 1 - \frac{c}{k} = \frac{1}{ab} 1 = c k + 1 a b 1 = \frac{c}{k} + \frac{1}{ab} Minimum a.b is 2 x 3 = 6, then c = 5 and k = 6. Finally a b c = 2 ( 3 ) ( 5 ) = 30 abc = 2(3)(5) = 30

Seems like missing "minimum" word in problem because it's valid for infinity pair of (a, b, c). Try (2, 7, 13).

Matija Sreckovic
Oct 18, 2015

First, WLOG, a < b < c a < b < c . Now, note that ( a b 1 ) ( a c 1 ) ( b c 1 ) = a b c ( a b c a b c ) + a b + a c + b c 1 (ab-1)(ac-1)(bc-1) = abc(abc-a-b-c)+ab+ac+bc-1 . Therefore, our problem is reduced to a b c a b + a c + b c 1 abc \vert ab+ac+bc-1 , which implies a b + a c + b c > a b c ab+ac+bc>abc .

Before proceeding, let's notice that a a b 1 a \nmid ab-1 and a a c 1 a \nmid ac-1 , which means that a b c 1 a \mid bc-1 . Similarly, b a c 1 b \mid ac-1 and c a b 1 c \mid ab-1 .

Now, as we assumed a < b < c a < b < c , b c = m a x { a b , a c , b c } bc=max\{ab,ac,bc\} , so a b + a c + b c > a b c ab+ac+bc>a \cdot bc if a < 3 a<3 , i.e. a = 2 a=2 .

Then, let's plug a = 2 a=2 into our inequality. We get 2 ( b + c ) > b c 2(b+c)>bc . Let's prove that this implies b < 4 b<4 . Let c = b + k , k N c=b+k, k \in \mathbb{N} (we can do this because we assumed a < b < c a < b < c ). Our inequality then produces a quadratic equation b 2 + ( k 2 ) b k < 0 b^2+(k-2)b-k<0 , whose roots are 2 k ± k 2 + 4 2 \frac{2-k \pm \sqrt{k^2+4}}{2} . If we prove that the larger one is lesser than 4, we prove b < 4 b<4 .

So, 2 k + k 2 + 4 2 < 4 \frac{2-k + \sqrt{k^2+4}}{2}\ < 4 is equivalent to k 2 + 4 < 6 + k \sqrt{k^2+4} < 6+k , which, when we square (the term under the square root is positive, and so is 6 + k 6+k , since k N k \in \mathbb{N} ), we get 32 < 12 k -32<12k , which is true for all k N k \in \mathbb{N} . Therefore, b = 3 b=3 (since a b a \neq b and a < b a<b and a = 2 a=2 ).

Finally, plugging a = 2 , b = 3 a=2, b=3 into c a b 1 c \mid ab-1 gives us c = 5 c=5 .

Moderator note:

In the first paragraph, note that x y x \mid y doesn't imply that y + 1 > x y + 1 > x . We could have y = 0 y = 0 or x - x . So, we have to explain why y > 0 y > 0 first, in order for the conclusion to be valid.

Aldrian Obaja
May 20, 2014

By experience, this typical problem is likely to have the solution ( 2 , 3 , 5 ) (2,3,5) , since that solution works, and by logic since this problem must have a unique solution, therefore the solution must be ( 2 , 3 , 5 ) (2,3,5) , hence a b c = 30 abc=30

K T
Mar 4, 2019

Restate as ( a b 1 ) ( b c 1 ) ( c a 1 ) 0 ( m o d a b c ) (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) \equiv 0 \pmod {abc}

Expand this, leaving out all terms that are a multiples of abc to get

a b + b c + c a 1 = k a b c ab+bc+ca-1 = kabc for some integer k. Note that k has to be positive because a, b and c are greater than 1. Bring multiples of a to the left side:

a ( b + c k b c ) = 1 b c a(b+c-kbc)=1-bc

a = b c 1 k b c b c \Rightarrow a=\frac{bc-1}{kbc-b-c} with positive numerator and denominator.

Since it was given that a > = 2 a>=2 we have

b c 1 > = 2 ( k b c b c ) bc-1>=2(kbc-b-c) which we rewrite as

2 ( b + c ) 1 > = ( 2 k 1 ) b c 2(b+c)-1>=(2k-1)bc .

k < = b + c 1 2 b c + 1 2 k <= \frac{b+c-\frac{1}{2}}{bc} + \frac{1}{2}

For both b , c > = 2 b,c >= 2 we have b c > = 2 c bc >= 2c and also b c > = 2 b bc >=2b so that b c > = b + c bc >= b+c . Using this we can write

k < = b + c 1 2 b + c + 1 2 k <= \frac{b+c-\frac{1}{2}}{b+c}+\frac{1}{2}

k < = 1 1 2 b + 2 c + 1 2 < = 3 2 k <= 1 -\frac{1}{2b+2c}+\frac{1}{2} <=\frac{3}{2}

Conclusion: k = 1 k=1 , the only positive number smaller than 3 / 2 3/2 .

We observe

  • In a b + a c + b c = a b c + 1 ab+ac+bc=abc+1 , if a,b,c are all odd we 'd get: odd=even; if two of them, or all, are even we get: even=odd. So one is even and the other two are odd.

  • Because a,b,c are different, any product ab is at least 6. If the other factor (c) gets large, the product abc soon outruns the sum ab+bc+ac+1.

So first try the lowest possible case (a=2,b=3,c=5): 6+10+15=31=30+1. This works.

abc=30. It is easily checked that indeed 5×9×14=(5×3×2)×(3×7) is a multiple of 30.

Sayantan Guha
May 20, 2014

Given : abc | (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) where x | y means x divides y. i.e. abc | (abc)^2 - abc(a+b+c) + ab + bc + ca - 1 Clearly abc | (abc)^2 - abc(a+b+c) So we have abc | ab + bc + ca - 1 .................(1) 4 possibilities arise in this case: i) all of a,b,c are Odd ii) all of a,b,c are Even iii) 1 of a,b,c is Even & the other 2 are Odd iv) 1 of a,b,c is Odd & 2 the other are Even Clearly (i) , (ii) & (iv) do not satisfy (1). So there is only 1 possibility - 1 of a,b,c is Even & the other 2 are Odd. Since a, b & c are distinct positive integers strictly greater than 1, considering the first & most basic case: a=2 , b=3 & c=5 we get abc=30

Titas Saha
May 20, 2014

here abc divides (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) therefore we can conclude that c divides (ab-1) because since abc divides (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1) therefore c divides (ab-1)(bc-1)(ca-1). but (bc-1)(ca-1) leaves remainder 1 when it is divided by c .therefore c must divides (ab-1).similarli we can say that a divides (bc-1) and b divides (ac-1). let us consider that the numbers are a, a+1,2a+1 .then we see that (a+1)(2a+1)=1(mod a) again, a(2a+1)=2a^2+a=a^2+a+a^2-1+1=a(a+1)+(a+1)(a-1)+1=(a+1)(2a-1) +1=1(mod a+1). but a(a+1)-1 not divisible by (2a+1) for all a therefore consider that , a(a+1)-1=2a+1 or, a^2+a-1=2a+1 or, a^2-a-2=0 or, (a-2)(a+1)=0 hence a=2 or a=-1 since a>1 so a=2,therefore b= a+1=3 and c=2a+1=5. hence (2,3,5)are the solution and abc = 2 3 5=30

Claim 1: a b c 1 a|bc-1 , b a c 1 b|ac-1 , c a b 1 c|ab-1 .

Proof: ac & ab are multiples of a( 1 \neq 1 ),so a doesn't divide ( a c 1 ) (ac-1) or ( a b 1 ) (ab-1) ,so a must divide ( b c 1 ) (bc-1) . Similar case follows for b & c.

Claim 2: If any,then exactly one even lies among a,b & c.

Proof: All can be odd,but our claim is "If any,then exactly one even". So we prove any 2 can't be even. If a & b are even,then (ac-1) is odd,but b a c 1 b|ac-1 . Contradiction! Since no two can be even,clearly all 3 can't be likewisely even. Let us test when any one,say a is even. Then (bc-1) is even,as b & c are odd,(ac-1) & (ab-1) are also odd. So no parity error arises.

Without loss of generality let us take a < b < c a<b<c & take 'a' even. Since we are asked to find one such pair, assume that a is atleast 2,then it divides wide range of (bc-1). Then b 2 c 1 b|2c-1 & c 2 b 1 c|2b-1 . If 2c-1=mb, where m is an odd positive integer then c = m b + 1 2 c=\frac {mb+1}{2} . Since c 2 b 1 c|2b-1 m b + 1 2 2 b 1 \Rightarrow \frac {mb+1}{2} | 2b-1 . Then m b + 1 4 b 2 mb+1 | 4b-2 . So m can be 1 or 3 (<4). If m=1, then b + 1 4 b 2 b+1|4b-2 i.e., b + 1 4 ( b + 1 ) 6 b+1|4(b+1)-6 i.e., b + 1 6 b+1|6 . So b 0 b \neq 0 , b 1 b \neq 1 , b 2 b \neq 2 , b=5. Then c=(5+1)/2=3, inadmissible as b<c.

If m=3,then 3 b + 1 4 b 2 3b+1|4b-2 . Now at most 3 b + 1 = 4 b 2 3b+1=4b-2 ,as 4b-2 can't be a greater multiple of (3b+1) (then b would become negative)...So b=3, c = 3 × 3 + 1 2 = 5 c=\frac{3 \times 3 + 1}{2}=5 . So a=2,b=3,c=5. So abc=30,as required.

P.S. a,b,c can be all odd as well, & can produce such a triplet e.g. 3,5,7.

let abc =x then x is a factor of (x-a)(x-b)(x-c)/x then we get a cubic equation and on solving with condition as x is a factor we get (1/a)+(1/b)+)(1/c)+(1/abc)=1 hence we get abc=30

Vighnesh Raut
Dec 20, 2013

By expanding the product of the 3 brackets, we get a number of terms. Some of which 'contains' the factor of abc. For eg, ab(c^2) is a multiple of abc. In other words, they are a multiple of abc. The terms which do not contain the factor abc are as follows. bc+ac+ab-1=(abc)[(1/a)+(1/b)+(1/c)- (1/abc)]

Thus, we require (1/a)+(1/b)+(1/c)-(1/abc) to be an integer. Since a, b, c are distinct positive integers greater than 1. We know that (1/a)+(1/b)+(1/c)-(1/abc) <(1/a)+(1/b)+(1/c) <(1/2)+(1/3)+(1/4) <2 This implies that (1/a)+(1/b)+(1/c)-(1/abc)=0 or 1 First consider the case of it being equal to 0. From the first equality, this is equivalent to having bc+ac+ab=1 which is impossible. Second case, (1/a)+(1/b)+(1/c)-(1/abc)=1. => bc+ac+ab-1=abc By tryin a few numbers, we know that 2, 3, 5 satisfies the eqn. Thus, abc=30.

Cheers. Mystery solved..

Soham Zemse
Dec 7, 2013

( ab - 1): that "-1" makes even things odd and odd things even. so we should take care. (a,b,c) cannot be all even. as we will end up with odd term in numerator and odd term in denominator which will not divide. (a,b,c) cannot have 2 even numbers and one odd number, as once again we will get odd over even. so one should be even and 2 should be odd to yield a result. smalest possible combination is (a,b,c) = (2,3,5) 2 x 3 x 5 = 30

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