Finding Four Roots

Algebra Level 4

x 4 + 8 9 x 2 + 1 = 3 x 3 + 3 x x^4+\dfrac{8}{9}x^2+1=3x^3+3x

The sum of the real roots of the equation above is in the form of m n \frac {m}{n} with coprime positive integers m , n m,n . What is the value of m + n m+n ?


The answer is 13.

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Nihar Mahajan
Feb 16, 2015

x 4 + 8 9 x 2 + 1 = 3 x 3 + 3 x x^4 + \dfrac{8}{9}x^2 + 1=3x^3 + 3x

9 x 4 + 8 x 2 + 9 = 27 x 3 + 27 x \Rightarrow 9x^4 + 8x^2 + 9 = 27x^3 + 27x

9 x 4 27 x 3 + 8 x 2 27 x + 9 = 0 \Rightarrow 9x^4 -27x^3 + 8x^2 - 27x + 9=0

x 2 [ 9 x 2 27 x + 8 27 x + 9 x 2 ] = 0 \Rightarrow x^2\bigg[9x^2 -27x + 8 - \dfrac{27}{x} + \dfrac{9}{x^2}\bigg]=0

x 2 [ 9 ( x 2 + 2 + 1 x 2 ) 27 ( x + 1 x ) + 8 18 ] = 0 \Rightarrow x^2\bigg[9\bigg(x^2 + 2 +\dfrac{1}{x^2}\bigg) -27\bigg(x + \dfrac{1}{x}\bigg) + 8 -18\bigg]=0

Since , x 0 x \neq 0 , 9 ( x + 1 x ) 2 27 ( x + 1 x ) 10 = 0 9\bigg(x + \dfrac{1}{x}\bigg)^2 -27\bigg(x + \dfrac{1}{x}\bigg) -10=0

Let x + 1 x = t 9 t 2 27 t 10 = 0 ( 3 t + 1 ) ( 3 t 10 ) = 0 x + \dfrac{1}{x} = t \Rightarrow 9t^2 - 27t - 10= 0 \Rightarrow (3t+1)(3t-10) =0

t = 1 3 o r 10 3 \Rightarrow t = \dfrac{-1}{3} or \dfrac{10}{3}

When t = 1 3 , x + 1 x = 1 3 3 x 2 + x + 3 = 0 x = 1 ± 35 6 t = \dfrac{-1}{3} , x + \dfrac{1}{x} =\dfrac{-1}{3} \Rightarrow 3x^2 + x + 3 = 0 \Rightarrow x = \dfrac{-1 \pm \sqrt{-35}}{6} , this not possible since the question asks for real roots.

When t = 10 3 , x + 1 x = 10 3 3 x 2 10 x + 3 = 0 ( 3 x 1 ) ( x 3 ) = 0 t = \dfrac{10}{3} , x + \dfrac{1}{x} =\dfrac{10}{3} \Rightarrow 3x^2 - 10x + 3= 0\Rightarrow (3x - 1)(x - 3) = 0

x = 1 3 , 3 \Rightarrow x = \dfrac{1}{3} , 3

Hence , sum of real values of x = 1 3 + 3 = 10 3 x = \dfrac{1}{3} + 3= \dfrac{10}{3} [Actually this can be derived easily by Vieta's formula.]

Thus , m + n = 10 + 3 = 13 m + n = 10 + 3 = \large\boxed{13}

G e n e r a l i z a t i o n Generalization : This method which I used is only possible for polynomials of type (known as Symmetric polynomials):

a x 4 + b x 3 + c x 2 + b x + a ax^4 + bx^3 + cx^2 + bx + a

If ( x + 1 x ) = t \bigg(x + \dfrac{1}{x}\bigg) = t , then such type of polynomials can be factorized as:

x 2 ( a t 2 + b t + c 2 a ) x^2(at^2 + bt + c - 2a)

Thanks. I learned a new fact today. I did by graphing calculator, but I was looking for an algebraic solution.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 3 months ago

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We can also generalize for polynomials named 'Almost symmetric polynomials'.These polynomials have the form:

a x 4 + b x 3 + c x 2 b x + a ax^4 + bx^3 + cx^2 - bx +a

If ( x 1 x ) = t \bigg(x - \dfrac{1}{x}\bigg) = t , then such type of polynomials can be factorized as:

x 2 ( a t 2 + b t + c + 2 a ) x^2(at^2 + bt + c + 2a)

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Thank you.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 3 months ago

I used a graphical approach , Plot the graph and add the zeroes .

One root is 3 and the other comes out to be 1 3 \frac{1}{3} using Vieta's Rule.

The sum is 3 + 1 3 = 10 3 13 3 + \frac{1}{3} = \frac{10}{3} \Rightarrow 13

Because of symmetry r and 1/r are the roots in pair. Graphing calculator would give this result.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Yes,you are right I didn't notice that the product of roots comes out to be 1 . When I saw this question, I thought "I'll do this question by graph" and didn't think of anything else .

Thanks !!

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 3 months ago

I would like you to see my method without graphs.

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Sorry for my very late response , I did actually solve the question by hand . But as you know, the solution was large , so refrained from posting it and instead posted the graphical approach .

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 3 months ago
Dipesh Shivrame
Mar 26, 2015

Thanks Nihar for such a beautiful generalization . I learnt something new.:-):-):-)

Put the equation as f(x)=0 and use a graphing calculator to find the zeros. After finding the real roots one can solve the remaining quadratic to get the complex roots. (This is not asked for.)

Graphical Analysis is a better approach for this problem. First, rearrange the given equation in the form f(x)=0 (Bring all terms involving x on one side). Then plot f(x) and see where the plot cuts x-axis. They give us information about roots of the equation. We just sum them (Here the roots are x=3 and x=1/3), and get the answer as 13.

P.S. This solution is for Beginners like me trying to solve Level 5 Problems !

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