l separated by a distance l each plate having uniform charge density σ . Both the plates are fixed in their positions and are placed face to face as shown in the figure above.
We have two parallel non-conducting square plates of sideFind the force exerted on one plate by the other one in Newtons. Submit your answer to 2 decimal places.
Details and Assumptions :
1) l = 1 mm , σ = 1 2 . 6 3 4 × 1 0 − 3 C/m 2
2) ϵ 0 = Permittivity of vaccum = 8 . 8 5 × 1 0 − 1 2
Extra Credit :
1) Find it's closed form, that is find the expression without putting the values.
2) Double credit : Solve for the closed form by hand. Without use of any computer.
3) Triple Credit-Post Solution. One who post complete solution wins my respect.
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Nice solution Jatin.
but my sir told that force on 1 plate due to other is (sigma/(2 epsilon)) sigma*plate area
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That is when plate area is much much greater than distance between it.
This is not a complete solution as I did not compute the final double integral by hand (I used Wolfram Alpha). However, what I do show is how we can reduce the quadruple integral into the double integral.
Let the first plate be described by the region
0 ≤ x ≤ l , 0 ≤ y ≤ l , z = 0
and the second plate be described by the region
0 ≤ x ′ ≤ l , 0 ≤ y ′ ≤ l , z ′ = l
It can be easily shown by Coulomb's law that the force between the plates is given by
F = 4 π ϵ 0 σ 2 l ∫ 0 l ∫ 0 l ∫ 0 l ∫ 0 l ( ( x − x ′ ) 2 + ( y − y ′ ) 2 + l 2 ) 3 / 2 d x d x ′ d y d y ′ z ^
Making the substitution
x = X l , x ′ = X ′ l , y = Y l , y ′ = Y ′ l
F = 4 π ϵ 0 σ 2 l 2 ∫ 0 1 ∫ 0 1 ∫ 0 1 ∫ 0 1 ( ( X − X ′ ) 2 + ( Y − Y ′ ) 2 + 1 ) 3 / 2 d X d X ′ d Y d Y ′ z ^
By symmetry we may also integrate over the region
0 ≤ X ≤ 1 , X ′ ≤ X
0 ≤ Y ≤ 1 , Y ′ ≤ Y
and multiply by 4 .
Now to compute the integral make the substitution
X = 2 u + v , X ′ = 2 u − v
Y = 2 a + b , Y ′ = 2 a − b
∴ F = 4 π ϵ 0 σ 2 l 2 ∫ 0 1 ∫ b 2 − b ∫ 0 1 ∫ v 2 − v ( v 2 + b 2 + 1 ) 3 / 2 d u d v d a d b z ^
Note that the factor of 4 that was multiplied earlier cancels with the absolute value of the determinant of the Jacobian (which is 1 / 4 ).
∴ F = π ϵ 0 σ 2 l 2 ∫ 0 1 ∫ 0 1 ( v 2 + b 2 + 1 ) 3 / 2 ( 1 − v ) ( 1 − b ) d v d b z ^
I computed this integral on Wolfram Alpha. After plugging in the values we get
F = 1 . 0 0 0 0 0 4 2 5 5 z ^
∴ F ≈ 1 z ^ N
Thanks Karthik for posting a solution.
Atleast someone posted a solution, it has a nice enough closed form and that the interesting part of it.
Closed form
F = π ϵ 0 σ 2 l 2 ( 2 l n ( 1 + 2 1 + 3 ) + 6 π + 8 − ( 3 + 1 + l n ( 2 ) ) )
Whoever derives this gets the extra credit.
its a good question it take 7 min to do
Great question and solutions but it seems that the approximation holds well enough and gives answer as 1.0189 . 😀😁😂😝😜
no approximation gives 9.017
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Consider two line charges at a distance x from bottom oon plate 1, and a distance y from bottom on plate 2. From Find the force of interaction-2 , we know that horizontal component of force between these wires is: d F 1 2 = 2 π ϵ 0 l 2 + ( y − x ) 2 λ 2 ( ( y − x ) 2 + l 2 + l 2 − ( y − x ) 2 + l 2 ) l 2 + ( y − x ) 2 l
Integrating, we get:
F = ∫ 0 l ∫ 0 l 2 π ϵ 0 ( l 2 + ( y − x ) 2 ) σ 2 l d x d y ( ( y − x ) 2 + 2 l 2 − ( y − x ) 2 + l 2 )
= 2 π ϵ 0 σ 2 l ∫ 0 l ∫ 0 l ( l 2 + ( y − x ) 2 ) ( y − x ) 2 + 2 l 2 − ( y − x ) 2 + l 2 d x d y
It can be solved by first integrating wrt y, and then x,all integrals present are trivial, but solution is quite lengthy.