Force between plates of a capacitor

We have two parallel non-conducting square plates of side l l separated by a distance l l each plate having uniform charge density σ \sigma . Both the plates are fixed in their positions and are placed face to face as shown in the figure above.

Find the force exerted on one plate by the other one in Newtons. Submit your answer to 2 decimal places.

Details and Assumptions :

1) l = 1 mm , σ = 12.634 × 1 0 3 C/m 2 l = 1 \text{ mm} , \sigma = 12.634 \times 10^{-3} \text{ C/m}^{2}

2) ϵ 0 = Permittivity of vaccum = 8.85 × 1 0 12 {\epsilon}_{0} = \text{ Permittivity of vaccum} = 8.85 \times 10^{-12}

Extra Credit :

1) Find it's closed form, that is find the expression without putting the values.

2) Double credit : Solve for the closed form by hand. Without use of any computer.

3) Triple Credit-Post Solution. One who post complete solution wins my respect.


The answer is 1.00.

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5 solutions

Jatin Yadav
Apr 27, 2015

Consider two line charges at a distance x from bottom oon plate 1, and a distance y from bottom on plate 2. From Find the force of interaction-2 , we know that horizontal component of force between these wires is: d F 12 = λ 2 2 π ϵ 0 l 2 + ( y x ) 2 ( ( y x ) 2 + l 2 + l 2 ( y x ) 2 + l 2 ) l l 2 + ( y x ) 2 dF_{12} =\displaystyle \dfrac{\lambda^2}{2 \pi \epsilon_{0} \sqrt{l^2+(y-x)^2}}\bigg(\sqrt{(y-x)^2+l^2+l^2} - \sqrt{(y-x)^2+l^2}\bigg) \dfrac{l}{\sqrt{l^2+(y-x)^2}}

Integrating, we get:

F = 0 l 0 l σ 2 l d x d y 2 π ϵ 0 ( l 2 + ( y x ) 2 ) ( ( y x ) 2 + 2 l 2 ( y x ) 2 + l 2 ) F = \displaystyle \int_{0}^{l} \int_{0}^{l} \dfrac{\sigma^2 l {\mathrm dx} {\mathrm dy}}{2 \pi \epsilon_{0} (l^2+(y-x)^2)}\bigg(\sqrt{(y-x)^2+2l^2} - \sqrt{(y-x)^2+l^2}\bigg)

= σ 2 l 2 π ϵ 0 0 l 0 l ( y x ) 2 + 2 l 2 ( y x ) 2 + l 2 ( l 2 + ( y x ) 2 ) d x d y \displaystyle \dfrac{\sigma^2 l} {2 \pi \epsilon_{0} } \displaystyle \int_{0}^{l} \int_{0}^{l} \dfrac{ \sqrt{(y-x)^2+2l^2} - \sqrt{(y-x)^2+l^2} }{ (l^2+(y-x)^2)}{\mathrm dx} {\mathrm dy}

It can be solved by first integrating wrt y, and then x,all integrals present are trivial, but solution is quite lengthy.

Nice solution Jatin.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 1 month ago

but my sir told that force on 1 plate due to other is (sigma/(2 epsilon)) sigma*plate area

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 7 months ago

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That is when plate area is much much greater than distance between it.

Rajdeep Dhingra - 4 years, 7 months ago

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ohk thanks !

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 6 months ago
Karthik Kannan
Apr 26, 2015

This is not a complete solution as I did not compute the final double integral by hand (I used Wolfram Alpha). However, what I do show is how we can reduce the quadruple integral into the double integral.

Let the first plate be described by the region

0 x l , 0 y l , z = 0 0\leq x\leq l,0\leq y\leq l, z=0

and the second plate be described by the region

0 x l , 0 y l , z = l 0\leq x'\leq l,0\leq y'\leq l, z'=l

It can be easily shown by Coulomb's law that the force between the plates is given by

F = σ 2 l 4 π ϵ 0 0 l 0 l 0 l 0 l d x d x d y d y ( ( x x ) 2 + ( y y ) 2 + l 2 ) 3 / 2 z ^ \mathbb{F}=\dfrac{\sigma^{2}l}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\displaystyle\int_{0}^{l}\!\!\!\displaystyle\int_{0}^{l}\!\!\!\displaystyle\int_{0}^{l}\!\!\!\displaystyle\int_{0}^{l} \frac{\text{d}x\text{ }\text{d}x'\text{d}y\text{ }\text{d}y'}{\left( (x-x')^{2}+(y-y')^{2}+l^{2}\right)^{3/2}}\hat{z}

Making the substitution

x = X l , x = X l , y = Y l , y = Y l x=Xl,x'=X'l,y=Yl,y'=Y'l

F = σ 2 l 2 4 π ϵ 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 d X d X d Y d Y ( ( X X ) 2 + ( Y Y ) 2 + 1 ) 3 / 2 z ^ \mathbb{F}=\dfrac{\sigma^{2}l^{2}}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1}\!\!\!\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1}\!\!\!\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1}\!\!\!\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1} \frac{\text{d}X\text{ }\text{d}X'\text{d}Y\text{ }\text{d}Y'}{\left( (X-X')^{2}+(Y-Y')^{2}+1\right)^{3/2}}\hat{z}

By symmetry we may also integrate over the region

0 X 1 , X X 0\leq X\leq 1, X'\leq X

0 Y 1 , Y Y 0\leq Y\leq 1, Y'\leq Y

and multiply by 4 4 .

Now to compute the integral make the substitution

X = u + v 2 , X = u v 2 X=\dfrac{u+v}{2},X'=\dfrac{u-v}{2}

Y = a + b 2 , Y = a b 2 Y=\dfrac{a+b}{2},Y'=\dfrac{a-b}{2}

F = σ 2 l 2 4 π ϵ 0 0 1 b 2 b 0 1 v 2 v d u d v d a d b ( v 2 + b 2 + 1 ) 3 / 2 z ^ \therefore \mathbb{F}=\dfrac{\sigma^{2}l^{2}}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1}\!\!\!\displaystyle\int_{b}^{2-b}\!\!\!\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1}\!\!\!\displaystyle\int_{v}^{2-v} \frac{\text{d}u\text{ }\text{d}v\text{ }\text{d}a\text{ }\text{d}b}{\left( v^{2}+b^{2}+1\right)^{3/2}}\hat{z}

Note that the factor of 4 4 that was multiplied earlier cancels with the absolute value of the determinant of the Jacobian (which is 1 / 4 1/4 ).

F = σ 2 l 2 π ϵ 0 0 1 0 1 ( 1 v ) ( 1 b ) d v d b ( v 2 + b 2 + 1 ) 3 / 2 z ^ \therefore \mathbb{F}=\dfrac{\sigma^{2}l^{2}}{\pi\epsilon_{0}}\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1}\!\!\!\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1} \frac{(1-v)(1-b)\text{d}v\text{ }\text{d}b}{\left( v^{2}+b^{2}+1\right)^{3/2}}\hat{z}

I computed this integral on Wolfram Alpha. After plugging in the values we get

F = 1.000004255 z ^ \mathbb{F}=1.000004255\hat{z}

F 1 z ^ N \therefore \boxed{\mathbb{F}\approx 1\hat{z} N}

Thanks Karthik for posting a solution.

Atleast someone posted a solution, it has a nice enough closed form and that the interesting part of it.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 1 month ago
Ronak Agarwal
Apr 26, 2015

Closed form

F = σ 2 l 2 π ϵ 0 ( 2 l n ( 1 + 3 1 + 2 ) + π 6 + 8 ( 3 + 1 + l n ( 2 ) ) ) F= \dfrac{{\sigma}^{2}{l}^{2}} {\pi{\epsilon}_{0}} \left( 2ln \left( \dfrac{1+\sqrt{3}}{1+\sqrt{2}}\right) + \dfrac{\pi}{6} + \sqrt{8}-(\sqrt{3}+1+ln(2)) \right)

Whoever derives this gets the extra credit.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 1 month ago
Rakshit Joshi
Nov 7, 2015

its a good question it take 7 min to do

Somyaneel Sinha
Oct 19, 2016

Great question and solutions but it seems that the approximation holds well enough and gives answer as 1.0189 . 😀😁😂😝😜

no approximation gives 9.017

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 6 months ago

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