B C B A \frac{BC}{BA}

Geometry Level 4

Let A B C ABC be a right-angled triangle right angled at B B . Suppose E E and F F are the midpoints of A B AB and A C AC respectively. It is also given that incentre of A B C \triangle ABC lies on the circumcircle of A E F \triangle AEF .

Find the ratio B C B A \dfrac{BC}{BA} .

If the ratio can be written as a b \dfrac{a}{b} , where a , b a,b are coprime positive integers, find the product a b ab .


The answer is 12.

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Let A B = a AB = a , B C = b BC = b and A C = c AC = c .

I will not go into the rigor of proving the theorem about in-circles in a right angled triangle, but it is well known that the in-radius, r r = = a + b c 2 \frac{a + b - c}{2}

Looking at the bigger circle w.r.t the in-circle, we realize that r r = = E F 2 \frac{EF}{2} \implies E F = a + b c EF = a + b - c

Now considering two right angled triangles, A B C ABC and A E F AEF , we get two equations.

A C 2 = A B 2 + B C 2 AC^{2} = AB^{2} + BC^{2} \implies c 2 = a 2 + b 2 c^{2} = a^{2} + b^{2} ... (i)

A F 2 = A E 2 + E F 2 AF^{2} = AE^{2} + EF^{2} \implies ( c 2 ) 2 (\frac{c}{2})^{2} = = ( a 2 ) 2 (\frac{a}{2})^{2} + + ( a + b c ) 2 (a + b - c)^{2} ... (ii)

Using (i) and (ii), we get: c c = = a a + + b 2 \frac{b}{2} ... (iii)

Substituting (iii) back in (i), we get: b a \frac{b}{a} = = B C B A \frac{BC}{BA} = = 4 3 \frac{4}{3}

Hence, the solution sought = = 4 × 3 4 \times 3 = = 12 \boxed{12}

You do not have to scratch your head or go through elaborate theorems or extensive calculations, if you know the in-radius relationship.

Nice and precise Solution

Vilakshan Gupta - 3 years, 4 months ago

How do you get EF/2= r ? I need a proof

Azzam Labib - 3 years, 4 months ago

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The proof will take time as you have to consider the concepts related to chords and tangents, but I have a simple solution for you. Drop a perpendicular from F to BC. It will touch the in-circle at a point (in the form of a tangent) such that EF is equal to the diameter of the in-circle passing through the centre I.

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 4 months ago
Donglin Loo
Jan 30, 2018

From the image provided, let I P A F |IP|\perp |AF|

Let F P = p , A F = 2 R |FP|=p, |AF|=2R , then P F = 2 R p |PF|=2R-p

A F AF is the diameter, so A I F = 9 0 \angle AIF=90^{\circ}

Δ A I P Δ I F P \Delta AIP\sim \Delta IFP

Let I P = r |IP|=r ,

then, p ( 2 R p ) = r 2 p(2R-p)=r^{2}

E , F E,F are midpoints of A B , A C AB,AC respectively.

A C = 4 R AC=4R


Let midpoint of A F AF be M

Let M Q A E MQ\perp AE

Let A Q = x |AQ|=x

A B = 4 x |AB|=4x

M Q = R 2 x 2 |MQ|=\sqrt{R^{2}-x^{2}}

B C = 4 R 2 x 2 |BC|=4 \sqrt{R^{2}-x^{2}}


Let I X A B IX\perp AB

A X = p |AX|=p

B X = 4 x p |BX|=4x-p

B X = r |BX|=r

4 x p = r 4x-p=r

Similiarly, we have 4 R 2 x 2 r = 4 R p 4 \sqrt{R^{2}-x^{2}}-r=4R-p


( 1 ) : p ( 2 R p ) = r 2 (1):p(2R-p)=r^{2}

( 2 ) : 4 x p = r (2):4x-p=r

( 3 ) : 4 R 2 x 2 r = 4 R p (3):4 \sqrt{R^{2}-x^{2}}-r=4R-p

From ( 2 ) (2) , p = 4 x r p=4x-r

( 3 ) : 4 R 2 x 2 r = 4 R 4 x + r (3):4 \sqrt{R^{2}-x^{2}}-r=4R-4x+r

4 R 2 x 2 2 r = 4 R 4 x 4 \sqrt{R^{2}-x^{2}}-2r=4R-4x

2 R 2 x 2 r = 2 ( R x ) 2 \sqrt{R^{2}-x^{2}}-r=2(R-x)

2 R 2 x 2 2 ( R x ) = r 2 \sqrt{R^{2}-x^{2}}-2(R-x)=r

r = 2 R x ( R + x R x ) r=2 \sqrt{R-x}(\sqrt{R+x}-\sqrt{R-x})


( 2 ) : p = 4 x r (2):p=4x-r

p = 4 x 2 R x ( R + x R x ) p=4x-2 \sqrt{R-x}(\sqrt{R+x}-\sqrt{R-x})

p = 4 x 2 R 2 x 2 + 2 ( R x ) p=4x-2 \sqrt{R^{2}-x^{2}}+2(R-x)

p = 2 R + 2 x 2 R 2 x 2 p=2R+2x-2 \sqrt{R^{2}-x^{2}}

p = 2 R + x ( R + X R x ) p=2 \sqrt{R+x}(\sqrt{R+X}-\sqrt{R-x})


( 1 ) : p ( 2 R p ) = r 2 (1):p(2R-p)=r^{2}

2 R p p 2 = r 2 2Rp-p^{2}=r^{2}

2 R 2 R + x ( R + X R x ) [ 2 R + x ( R + X R x ) ] 2 = [ 2 R x ( R + x R x ) ] 2 2R\cdot 2 \sqrt{R+x}(\sqrt{R+X}-\sqrt{R-x})-[2 \sqrt{R+x}(\sqrt{R+X}-\sqrt{R-x})]^{2}={[2 \sqrt{R-x}(\sqrt{R+x}-\sqrt{R-x}})]^{2}

4 R R + x ( R + X R x ) 4 ( R + x ) ( R + X R x ) 2 = 4 ( R x ) ( R + x R x ) 2 4R\cdot \sqrt{R+x}(\sqrt{R+X}-\sqrt{R-x})-4(R+x)(\sqrt{R+X}-\sqrt{R-x})^{2}=4(R-x)(\sqrt{R+x}-\sqrt{R-x})^{2}

4 R R + x ( R + X R x ) = 4 ( R + x + R x ) ( R + x R x ) 2 4R\cdot \sqrt{R+x}(\sqrt{R+X}-\sqrt{R-x})=4(R+x+R-x)(\sqrt{R+x}-\sqrt{R-x})^{2}

4 R R + x ( R + X R x ) = 4 ( 2 R ) ( R + x R x ) 2 4R\cdot \sqrt{R+x}(\sqrt{R+X}-\sqrt{R-x})=4(2R)(\sqrt{R+x}-\sqrt{R-x})^{2}

R + x ( R + X R x ) = 2 ( R + x R x ) 2 \sqrt{R+x}(\sqrt{R+X}-\sqrt{R-x})=2(\sqrt{R+x}-\sqrt{R-x})^{2}

R + x = 2 ( R + x R x ) \sqrt{R+x}=2(\sqrt{R+x}-\sqrt{R-x})

R + x = 2 R + x 2 R x ) \sqrt{R+x}=2 \sqrt{R+x}-2 \sqrt{R-x})

R + x = 2 R x \sqrt{R+x}=2 \sqrt{R-x}

R + x = 4 ( R x ) R+x=4(R-x)

3 R = 5 x 3R=5x

x R = 3 5 \cfrac{x}{R}=\cfrac{3}{5}

A Q A M = 3 5 \cfrac{|AQ|}{|AM|}=\cfrac{3}{5}

A B A C = 3 5 \cfrac{|AB|}{|AC|}=\cfrac{3}{5}

B C B A = 4 3 = a b \cfrac{|BC|}{|BA|}=\cfrac{4}{3}=\cfrac{a}{b}

a b = 4 × 3 = 12 ab=4\times 3=12


It is very tricky to juggle with three variables R , r , x R, r, x at the beginning and R + x \sqrt{R+x} and R x \sqrt{R-x} at the end. It appeals so much to me how algebraic this geometry problem is!

Very nice solution. Yes,i too feel its more of algebra than geometry.

Vilakshan Gupta - 3 years, 4 months ago
Steven Yuan
Jan 30, 2018

Let ω 1 \omega_1 be the circumcircle of A E F \triangle AEF and ω 2 \omega_2 be the circumcircle of A B C . \triangle ABC. It is clear that there exists a homothety that maps A E F \triangle AEF to A B C \triangle ABC and ω 1 \omega_1 to ω 2 \omega_2 with dilation ratio 2. Letting X X be the intersection of line A I AI with ω 2 , \omega_2, we have A X = 2 A I AX = 2AI by the homothety, so A I = I X . AI = IX.

Let a = B C , b = A C , c = A B , a = BC, b = AC, c = AB, and n = I X . n = IX. It is well-known that I X = B X = C X , IX = BX = CX, so B X = C X = n BX = CX = n and A X = 2 n . AX = 2n. Applying Ptolemy's Theorem on A B X C ABXC yields

A B ( C X ) + A C ( B X ) = B C ( A X ) c n + b n = a ( 2 n ) c + b = 2 a . ( ) \begin{aligned} AB(CX) + AC(BX) &= BC(AX) \\ cn + bn &= a(2n) \\ c + b &= 2a. \quad \quad \textcolor{cyan}{\small{(*)}} \end{aligned}

We also have a 2 + c 2 = b 2 a^2 + c^2 = b^2 by the Pythagorean Theorem, and we wish to find a c . \dfrac{a}{c}. From equation ( ) , \textcolor{cyan}{\small{(*)}}, we get b = 2 a c . b = 2a - c. Substituting this into our Pythagorean Theorem equation yields

a 2 + c 2 = ( 2 a c ) 2 a 2 + c 2 = 4 a 2 4 a c + c 2 3 a 2 4 a c = 0 a ( 3 a 4 c ) = 0. \begin{aligned} a^2 + c^2 &= (2a - c)^2 \\ a^2 + c^2 &= 4a^2 - 4ac + c^2 \\ 3a^2 - 4ac &= 0 \\ a(3a - 4c) &= 0. \end{aligned}

Since a 0 , a \neq 0, we must have 3 a 4 c = 0 , 3a - 4c = 0, or a c = 4 3 . \dfrac{a}{c} = \dfrac{4}{3}. Our final answer is 4 ( 3 ) = 12 . 4(3) = \boxed{12}.

Aareyan Manzoor
Feb 22, 2018

i just used coordinates. if we take B to be the origins, then the in-centre has coordinates ( r , r ) (r,r) with r = x + y x 2 + y 2 2 r= \dfrac{x+y-\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}{2} where x,y are side lengths. the circumcentre of the smaller triangle has coordinates ( 3 / 4 x , 1 / 4 y ) (3/4x,1/4y) with circumradius R = x 2 + y 2 4 R= \dfrac{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}{4} . we can now use the equation of a circle to get ( 3 / 4 x r ) 2 + ( 1 / 4 y r ) 2 = R 2 = x 2 + y 2 16 x 2 3 x r y r + 4 r 2 = 0 1 3 r x y x r x + 4 ( r x ) 2 = 0 (3/4 x-r)^2+(1/4y-r)^2= R^2=\dfrac{x^2+y^2}{16} \to x^2-3xr-yr+4r^2=0 \to 1-3\dfrac{r}{x}-\dfrac{y}{x}\dfrac{r}{x}+4(\dfrac{r}{x})^2=0 if we define y x = a \dfrac{y}{x}=a , then r x = 1 + a 1 + a 2 2 \dfrac{r}{x}= \dfrac{1+a-\sqrt{1+a^2}}{2} . plugging this in and expanding everything: 3 + 3 a 2 1 + a 2 3 a 1 + a 2 = 0 3 ( 1 + a 2 ) = ( 3 a + 1 ) a 2 + 1 9 ( 1 + a 2 ) = ( 3 a + 1 ) 2 9 = 6 a + 1 a = 4 3 3 + 3 a^2 -\sqrt{1 + a^2} - 3 a\sqrt{1 + a^2} = 0\to 3(1+a^2)=(3a+1)\sqrt{a^2+1}\to 9(1+a^2)=(3a+1)^2\to 9=6a+1\to a= \boxed{\dfrac{4}{3}}

Jeremy Galvagni
Sep 10, 2018

You hardly need the circumcircle except to note it lies on the perpendicular bisector of E F EF and contains I I . Let the points of tangency of the incircle be as shown and connected to the incenter.

B G = 1 2 E F = 1 4 B C BG = \frac{1}{2} EF = \frac{1}{4} BC . For simplicity let B G = 1 , B C = 4 , G C = 3 BG=1, BC=4, GC=3 .

Let B A = x BA=x so A C = 16 + x 2 AC=\sqrt{16+x^{2}} . and A H = x 1 AH=x-1 .

Then by congruent triangles B H = 1 BH=1 , A H = A J = x 1 AH=AJ=x-1 , C G = C J = 3 CG=CJ=3 which gives another expression for A C : x + 2 AC: x+2

Solving 16 + x 2 = ( x + 2 ) 2 16+x^{2}=(x+2)^{2} gives x = 3 x=3 so B C B A = 4 3 \frac{BC}{BA}=\frac{4}{3} and the solution is then 4 3 = 12 4 \cdot 3 = \boxed{12}

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