Geometric Geometry

Geometry Level 1

If the lengths of sides A B , AB, B C BC and A C AC in the figure shown form a geometric progression in that order, what is the ratio between A C AC and A B AB to 3 decimal places?


The answer is 1.618.

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Since Δ A B C \Delta ABC is right angled we know that A C AC is the longest side, so we can let the progression A B , B C , A C |AB|, |BC|, |AC| be a , a r , a r 2 a, ar, ar^{2} for some reals a > 0 , r > 1 a \gt 0, r \gt 1 . Then by Pythagoras we have that

A C 2 = A B 2 + B C 2 ( a r 2 ) 2 = a 2 + ( a r ) 2 a 2 ( r 4 r 2 1 ) = 0 |AC|^{2} = |AB|^{2} + |BC|^{2} \Longrightarrow (ar^{2})^{2} = a^{2} + (ar)^{2} \Longrightarrow a^{2}(r^{4} - r^{2} - 1) = 0 .

As a 0 a \ne 0 we must then have that r 4 r 2 1 = ( r 2 ) 2 r 2 1 = 0 r^{4} - r^{2} - 1 = (r^{2})^{2} - r^{2} - 1 = 0 , and thus that

r 2 = 1 ± 5 2 r^{2} = \dfrac{1 \pm \sqrt{5}}{2} . As r 2 r^{2} is necessarily positive we take the positive root as the answer, i.e.,

r 2 = 1 + 5 2 = 1.618 r^{2} = \dfrac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{2} = \boxed{1.618} to 3 decimal places.

The Golden Ratio pops up once again !!

Bob Kadylo - 4 years, 3 months ago

Is it possible to determine the value of each side?

Gabriel Souza - 4 years, 1 month ago

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For a given value a > 0 a \gt 0 the side lengths would be a , a r , a r 2 a, ar, ar^{2} , where

r = 1 + 5 2 1.272 r = \sqrt{\dfrac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{2}} \approx 1.272 .

So, for example, if a = 3 a = 3 then the side lengths would be (approximately)

3 , 3.816 , 4.854 3, 3.816, 4.854 , not too far from a 3 / 4 / 5 3/4/5 triangle.

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 1 month ago

I thought it's suppose to be ratio between AC and AB so shouldnt we need to square the answer?

Zhi Yang Marcus - 3 years, 7 months ago

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Since A B = a |AB| = a and A C = a r 2 |AC| = ar^{2} the ratio will be A C A B = r 2 \dfrac{|AC|}{|AB|} = r^{2} , which has been calculated.

Brian Charlesworth - 3 years, 7 months ago

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oh ok thanks for the reply lol i missed that

Zhi Yang Marcus - 3 years, 6 months ago

I've done something very similar but I'm having a hard time understanding why mine is wrong.

Since the 3 side lengths are a geometric sequence, we can say

x^2 + ax^2 = a^2x^2

divide everything by x^2

1+a=a^2

a = golden ratio.

since ratio between AC and AB is (a^2x^2/x^2), which is a^2, shouldn't the answer be the golden ratio squared? I really don't know where I messed up in my solution.

Justin Park - 1 year, 2 months ago
Nikola Djuric
Feb 13, 2017

A B B C = B C A C \frac{AB}{BC}=\frac{BC}{AC}
tan ( C ) = cos ( C ) \tan(C)=\cos(C)
sin ( C ) = cos 2 ( C ) = 1 sin 2 ( C ) \sin(C)=\cos^2(C)=1-\sin^2(C)
sin ( C ) > 0 \sin(C)>0 so sin ( C ) = 1 + 5 2 \sin(C)=\frac{-1+√5}{2}


Answer is 1 sin ( C ) = 2 5 1 = 5 + 1 2 1.618 \frac{1}{\sin(C)}=\frac{2}{\sqrt 5-1}=\frac{\sqrt 5+1}{2} \approx 1.618

Your trigonometric solution is pretty unique, other solutions reduced it to algebraic form and solve them.

I've formatted your solution with L a T e X LaTeX so it would be more attractive and easier to follow. Hopefully, it gets more views as well!

Christopher Boo - 4 years, 3 months ago
Anirudh Sreekumar
Feb 14, 2017

let x , y , z \large x,y,z denote the sides of the triangle with x < y < z \large x<y<z

By Pythagoras theorem we have, x 2 + y 2 = z 2 \large x^2+y^2=z^2

Also, since x,y,z are in G.P we have y 2 = x z \large y^2=xz

Thus we get, x 2 + x z = z 2 \large x^2+xz=z^2

or, ( z x ) 2 z x 1 = 0 \large (\dfrac{z}{x})^2-\dfrac{z}{x}-1=0

on solving we get, z x = 1 ± 5 2 \large \dfrac{z}{x}=\dfrac{1 \pm \sqrt{5}}{2}

however since x , y , z > 0 \large x,y,z>0 we have z x = 1 + 5 2 = 1.618 \large \dfrac{z}{x}=\dfrac{1+ \sqrt{5}}{2}=\boxed{\large 1.618}

Adam Hufstetler
Feb 24, 2017

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