GMAT Problem on Dice

A magician holds one six-sided die in his left hand and two in his right. What is the probability the number on the dice in his left hand is greater than the sum of the dice in his right?

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10 solutions

Agnibha Sen
May 12, 2014

Perhaps the hardest of the bunch, this question requires that we find a solution that doesn’t take much longer than 2 minutes. A quick way – or at least relatively quick way – is to determine the number of instances in which our roll of one die will yield more than two die. Intuitively, this is a good place to start because the number of instances in which rolling a great number with one die than with two is much smaller than vice versa.

The only way to roll higher on one die is if the magicians rolls between 2 and 5, inclusive, with two dice. Were he to roll a six with two dice than there is no way he could eclipse that number by rolling one die.

Below is the probability of rolling a certain number with two dice.

‘2’ – 1/36

‘3’ – 2/36

‘4’ – 3/36

‘5’- 4/36

Now the only numbers a magician can roll with the one die and win is between 3 and 6, inclusive. The chances of rolling any are always 1/6.

Next, we have to combine the probability distribution relating to two dice with that relating to the one.

The chances of a magician rolling any given number with one die are 1/6. So let’s start with the lowest number he can roll: a ‘3.’ To win with this roll, he will have to roll a ‘2’ with two dice, the odds of which are 1/36. So {1/6} * {1/36} = 1/216.

So the chances of him rolling a ‘3’ with one die and winning are 1/216.

Let’s repeat this logic for the next roll, ‘4.’ Chances of rolling are 1/6. Only way a ‘4’ wins is if he rolls a ‘2’ or a ‘3’ with two dice.

Odds of rolling a ‘2’ with two dice + odds of rolling a ‘3’ with two dice = {1/36} + {2/36} = {3/36}. Combine this with the odds of rolling a ‘4’ ( which is 1/6): {3/216}.

If he rolls a ‘5’ with one die, he can win if he rolls a ‘4’ with two dice, the probability is 3/36. He can also win if he rolls a ‘2’ or a ‘3’ with two dice, the number outcomes we just found: 3/36. So we add {3/36} + {3/36} = {6/36} * {1/6} (odds of rolling a 5 with one die) = {6/216}

Next, if he rolls a ‘6’ on one die, he can beat ‘2’ through ‘5’ with the two dice. Number of ways to roll a ‘5’ = 4/36. Combining this with the odds of rolling a ‘6’ on one die with the odds or rolling ‘2’, ‘3’, ‘4’, or ‘5’ with the two dice we get: 10/216.

You may be wondering why I left the denominator as 216. Well, this allows us to add up all the instances he can possibly win:

1/216 + 3/216 + 6/216 + 10/216 = 20/216 = 5/54 (Answer B)

Number on the dice in left hand is greater than the sum of dice in his right then the number in left must greater than right at least 1 and because the smallest value of the sum of 2 die is 1+1=2 so the number in left should be greater than 2, hence for the dice in left be...

3, the die in right can be 1,1 4, the die in right can be 1,1 and 1,2 and 2,1 5, the die in right can be 1,1 and 1,2 and 1,3 and 2,1 and 2,2 and 3,1 6, the die in right can be 1,1 and 1,2 and 1,3 and 1,4 and 2,1 and 2,2 and 2,3 and 3,1 and 3,2 and 4,1 the total is 1+3+6+10=20 As the number of ways of the arrangement of die is 6 6 6=216 so the ans is 20/216 = 5/54 (B) … right?

But I have some question... how about if the die of the magician in his right turn simultaneously? It couldn't be 6*6 = 36 anymore... it became combination instead of permutation the number of arrangement would become 6+6C2=21 and for the question, the solution was...

3, the die in right could be 1,1 4, the die in right could be 1,1 and 1,2 5, the die in right could be 1,1 and 1,2 and 1,3 and 2,2 6, the die in right could be 1,1 and 1,2 and 1,3 and 1,4 and 2,2 and 2,3 the total is 1+2+4+6=13 and the number of ways of the arrangement of die was 6*21=126 this ans would be 13/126! The question didn't ask properly ;(

Zheng Nian Yop - 7 years, 1 month ago

I think if someone would think of his own it would probably take less time than reading your solution :P

Simarjit Singh - 6 years, 11 months ago

@Aditya Mishra thanks. It's pretty easy, just let it go.

Agnibha Sen - 7 years, 1 month ago

problem was quite straightforward. I'm not very good at Combinatorics but the method seemed simple to find.

Aditya Mishra - 7 years, 1 month ago

our ans is same but i write my ans in form of 10\108 is this correct ????

Jayraj Kanabar - 7 years, 1 month ago
Vishnudatt Gupta
May 14, 2014

The least sum of the numbers of the two dice in the right hand is 2. The maximum sum of the

numbers on these two dice can be 5, for the left hand dice to be able to have a greater number.

Therefore the number on the dice in the left hand must be 3 or more.

Number of ways to get a sum of 2 with the two dice in the right hand= 1

Number of ways to get a sum of 3 with the two dice in the right hand= 2

Number of ways to get a sum of 4 with the two dice in the right hand= 3

Number of ways to get a sum of 5 with the two dice in the right hand= 4

Therefore required probability = P(two right dice have a sum of 2)*P(left dice has 3) + P(right dice

have sum of 2 or 3) P(left dice has 4) + P(two right dice have a sum of 2,3, or 4) P(left dice has 5) +

P(two right dice have a sum of 2,3,4,or 5)*P(left dice has 6)

= (1/36) (1/6) + (3/36) (1/6) + (6/36) (1/6) + (10/36) (1/6)

= (1/216) * (1+3+6+10)

= 20/216

= 5/54

Option B

The only way for the single dice be greater than the sum of the

two dice is that it should be 3,4, 5 or 6.

If the single dice be 3, it can be greater than the sum of the two dice once, 1 either.

If it is 4, it can be greater than the sum in three ways, 1+2 either

If 5, can be greater than the sum in 6 ways, 1+2+3 either

and if 6, in 10 ways, 1+2+3+4 either

Adding these, equals 20 (number of possible ways the single dice be greater than)

Since there are a total of 3 dice which has 6 faces each;

It would be 6^3 = 216 (total number of possible ways the 3 dice can be tossed)

Therefore, the probability is 20/216,

Hence, 5/54 =)

Deoneal Bryant Consulta - 7 years, 1 month ago
Arqum Anwar
May 14, 2014

For this question I drew a 6x6 grid showing all the possible sums that you can get with two dice. If the number on one die must be greater than the sum the number on the other two, it can not be 1 or 2. (Henceforth I will be writing the probability of each event in brackets with the event) If we get 3 (1/6) it is greater than a sum of 2 which occurs only once in the table: 1+1 (1/36). Similarly if we get 4 (1/6) it is greater than 2 and 3 which occur a total of three times 1+2, 2+1, 1+1 (3/36). For 5 (1/6) 2, 3, and 4 are present in six places in the table (6/36) and for 6 (1/6) 2, 3, 4 and 5 appear 10 times (10/36).

Therefore the total probability will be (1/6 * 1/36) + (1/6 * 3/36) + (1/6 * 6/36) + (1/6 * 10/36) = 5/54

Saanika Gupta
Nov 28, 2014

Total no. of observations=6^3 as there are 3 dice and in each dice no. of possible outcomes=6 Now suppose the no. in his left hand comes 1, then 1 cannot be greater than the sum of no.'s in his right hand. Same is with 2 because in the right hand the minimum no.'s can come is 1 and 1 and their addition=2 which is not greater than 2. If 3 comes in left hand, then 1,1's addition is smaller than 3 so when 3 comes, 1 favourable outcome is there. If 4 comes in left hand, (1,1),(1,2)(2,1) are the favourable outcomes i.e. 3 favourable outcomes. If 5 comes in left hand then (1,1),(1,2),(2,1),(3,1),(1,3),(2,2) i.e. 6 favourable outcomes. If 6 comes then (1,1),(1,2)(2,1),(3,1),(1,3),(4,1),(1,4),(3,2),(2,2),(2,3) i.e. 10 favourable outcomes. So total no. of favourable outcomes=1+3+6+10=20 Total no. of possible outcomes=6^3=216 Probability=20/216=5/54

Ajay Jain
May 19, 2014

favourable no of cases are 20(for left die value 3-1 case,for left die value 4-3 cases,for left die value 5-6 cases,for left die value 6-10 cases)...where as total no of cases are 256...so the solution will be 20/256=5/54

Rolyn Santos
May 19, 2014

(1/6)(10/36 +6/36 +3/36 +1/36)=5/54

Ryan Redz
May 19, 2014

Total number of combinations = 216. the left hand must be at least 3 to make it greater than the least sum at the right. LEFT HAND: 3 there is only 1 sum less than it (1+1), 4 is 3 sums, 5 is 6 sums, 6 is 10 sums. (1+3+6+10)/216 = 5/54

P = 1/36x4/6+2/36x3/6+3/36x2/6+4/36x1/6

Amr Elslehdar
May 18, 2014

Ok, i get it right using probability, but when i tried different idea i get something wrong i tried to use something like truth table as another method and i calculated it as follow we have a truth table from all one to all six 1 1 1 1 1 2 . . 6 6 6 with total space equal 6^3=108 so how many times the left one will be greater will be for 3 11 for 4 11 12 21 for 5 11 12 21 13 31 22 for 6 11 12 21 13 31 22 41 14 23 32 so the total number of case will be 1+3+6+10=20 so the solution will be 20/108 something is missing here any clue :)

6^3 = 216 , not 108

Vishnu Kulkarni - 7 years ago

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ops :D thanks :)

amr elslehdar - 7 years ago
Saatvik Jain
May 14, 2014

This requires just some presence of mind. when 3 die are thrown, number of possibilities-108 now on one hand, its either 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 cant be larger than any number making probability 10 only with the 108 outcomes(5 with each dice) answer= 10/108 = 5/54

Another way: suppose the rolls are A,B,C with the constraint C>A+B. Let A+B=k so 6>=C>=k+1. Then there are k-1 possibilities for the ordered pair (A,B) and 6-k possibilities for C. So we want the sum of (6-k)(k-1) from k=2 to k=5, which is easily computed to be 20. The answer is 20/(6^3)=5/54.

Joshua Benabou - 7 years ago

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