On top of a tower of height
H
, a Particle is thrown with a velocity
u
at a variable angle.
If R m a x represents the maximum possible Range of the particle (in meters ), then Evaluate 1 5 9 R m a x to the nearest integer.
Details and Assumptions:
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u
=
2
m
/
s
∙
H
=
5
m
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Take
g
=
9
.
8
m
/
s
2
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mr. anish u could make the problem a little easy. for such a case u can easily deduce that that the angle with which u should project in order to get max. range is 45 degrees though the base is not at the same level as that of the position of projection. and hence u can make the solution more easy!!!
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Angle is not 45 degrees because it if we project the projectile backwards it will touch the ground at some point at 45 degrees, since the range is maximum. Since the FULL projectile starts from ground at 45 degrees, therefore it is not possible that even at a height of 5 meters the angle will be 45 degrees...
No, you are wrong..The angle is not 4 5 o ..Please check this yourself.
When you assume the angle to be 4 5 o , the range that comes out is not the same as my solution.
You can even check the next few solutions..they also got the same answer (not 4 5 o )
The angle is 45 degrees if the starting y-position equals the ending y-position. In this case, it starts from 5 meters from the ground and finishes at ground level, so the angle can't be 45 degrees.
bhai where do u get these theorems and all any book ????
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Well, my prof taught it to us in class.
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where do you study any coaching institute if yes which one????
Well, I noticed that there is a typo in the first few lines..
I wrote cos θ 2 , but instead it should be cos 2 θ
Sorry about that.
R = u cos θ t
− H = u sin ( θ ) t − 2 1 g t 2
Now..lets manipulate a bit
cos θ = u t R
sin θ = u t ( 2 1 g t 2 − H )
on substituting values and using the identity
( cos θ ) 2 + ( sin θ ) 2 ) = 1
R 2 = 4 t 2 − ( 4 . 9 t 2 − 5 ) 2
to minimize R ........ minimize R 2
on calculating R m a x = 2 . 0 6 1 m
Really awesome approach,,
i didn't get same answer on minimizing , doing mistake somewhere. how did you minimize
Let θ be the angle with the horizontal at which the particle is thrown. Let t be the time it takes to reach the ground. Let R be the range. Then
R = u cos ( θ ) t
− H = u sin ( θ ) t − 2 1 g t 2
Solving for t and substituting (the positive value of t) in the equation for R,
R = g u cos ( θ ) [ u sin ( θ ) + ( u 2 sin 2 ( θ ) + 2 g h ) ]
For R m a x find the equation for d θ d R = 0 . Thus we get after some simplification
u 2 ( 4 x 2 − 4 x + 1 ) ( u 2 x + 2 g h ) = x ( u 2 + 2 g h ) 2
where x = sin 2 ( θ ) . This is a cubic in x. We get three roots of which two roots are greater than 1. The third root namely x = 0 . 0 3 2 9 2 3 4 gives the value for R m a x = 2 . 0 6 0 9 3 4 6 .
I had to obtain the roots for x numerically. Is there a better way to solve this problem in which the solution can be obtained analytically ?
yo!
There is a much simpler way!
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How do you do it ?
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Ill post a solution in within an hour or so.
Done
you can check out my solution too...its similar to yours.. but i managed to avoid calculation. ..anyway Anish's solution is a much better and easier method
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I just thought of another solution. Starting from the trajectory equation given by Anish,
y = x tan θ − 2 u 2 g x 2 sec 2 θ
Replace ( x , y ) by ( R , − H )
− H = R tan θ − 2 u 2 g R 2 sec 2 θ
Let θ m a x be the angle corresponding to the maximum range R m a x . For this value of θ = θ m a x we will have d θ d R = 0 .
So, differentiate the above equation throughout by θ . Replacing d θ d R by 0 , R by R m a x and θ by θ m a x and noting that H is a constant we get :
0 = R m a x sec 2 θ m a x − u 2 g R m a x 2 sec 2 θ m a x tan θ m a x
SInce sec 2 θ can never be 0 and R m a x = 0 we can divide both sides by R m a x sec 2 θ m a x
Thus tan θ m a x = g R m a x u 2 .
Now, replace ( R , θ ) by ( R m a x , θ m a x ) in the equation of the trajectory and using the above relation between tan θ m a x and R m a x we get :
− H = g u 2 − 2 u 2 g ( g 2 u 4 + R 2 )
Which gives value of R m a x as g 2 u 4 + g 2 u 2 H
So, the trick is to differentiate the equation involving R and θ without having to first find out R in terms of θ .
Consider the set of inclined planes starting from the top of the tower to the landing point.
My claim is that range on ground will be minimized at the angle that gives minimum range for the corresponding incline.
Max range on incline of angle A= u^2/g(1-sinA)=f(A)
Hence f(A)sinA=H And R=H cotA =2.601 m
Man I really appreciate your effort. But it would be better if you ask greatest integer or integer next to greatest integer ... That would be more specified.. Thanx
Use the vector equation and then used implicit differentiation and set the derivative to 0.
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To solve this problem without calculus, I would need to prove a certain theorem.
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What is the minimum velocity
u
m
i
n
for which the particle passes through
(
a
,
b
)
?
Let us think about the following problem.
Considering the trajectory equation for the motion of the particle,
y = x tan θ − 2 u 2 cos θ 2 g x 2
Substituting ( a , b ) for ( x , y ) ,
b = a tan θ − 2 u 2 cos θ 2 g a 2
Rearranging the equation, (use cos 2 θ 1 = sec 2 θ = 1 + tan 2 θ )
g a 2 tan 2 θ − 2 a u 2 tan θ + ( g a 2 + 2 y 2 b ) = 0
For a real value of θ to exist,
D ≥ 0
Hence,
u 4 − 2 u 2 g h − g 2 a 2 ≥ 0
⇒ ( u 2 − g b ) 2 ≥ g 2 ( b 2 + a 2 )
⇒ u ≥ g b + g b 2 + a 2
Now, let us encounter our original problem.
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Clearly, the point ( a , b ) that we ought to consider is ( R , − H )
Thus,
u ≥ g ( − H ) + g H 2 + R 2
⇒ ( g u 2 + g H ) 2 ≥ R 2 + H 2
⇒ R ≤ ( g u 2 + g H ) 2 − H 2
Substituting the values provided in the problem,
R ≤ 2 . 0 6 1 m
R m a x = 2 . 0 6 1 m
Therefore,
1 5 9 R m a x = 3 2 7 . 7 1 8 m ≈ 3 2 8 m