Going Down the Exponential Slide

A bead slides under the pull of gravity, g , g, down a frictionless wire segment in the shape of the curve y = e x y = e^{-x} , where x x is the horizontal direction and y y is the vertical direction. The bead starts from rest at ( x , y ) = ( 0 , 1 ) (x,y) = (0,1) .

The time it takes for the particle to travel between x = a x=a and x = b x=b can be expressed as

t a , b = 1 2 g a b 1 + P e Q x 1 + R e S x d x , \large{t_{a,b} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2g}} \int_a^b \sqrt{\frac{1 + P e^{Q x}}{1 + R e^{S x} }}\,dx},

where P , Q , R , P,Q,R, and S S are integers.

Determine P + Q + R + S . P + Q + R + S.

Note: The constant e e is Euler's number .


The answer is -3.

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Relevant wiki: Conservation of Mechanical Energy

By conservation of energy, for a bead of mass m m starting at height h = 1 h = 1 , we have that

m g × 1 = m g y + 1 2 m v 2 v = 2 g ( 1 y ) mg \times 1 = mgy + \dfrac{1}{2}mv^{2} \Longrightarrow v = \sqrt{2g(1 - y)} .

Now the incremental distance the bead travels along the wire is

d s = d x 2 + d y 2 = 1 + ( d y d x ) 2 d x d s d x = 1 + ( d y d x ) 2 ds = \sqrt{dx^{2} + dy^{2}} = \sqrt{1 + \left(\dfrac{dy}{dx}\right)^{2}} dx \Longrightarrow \dfrac{ds}{dx} = \sqrt{1 + \left(\dfrac{dy}{dx}\right)^{2}} .

So the speed of the bead at any time will be v = d s d t = d s d x d x d t = 1 + ( d y d x ) 2 d x d t v = \dfrac{ds}{dt} = \dfrac{ds}{dx} \dfrac{dx}{dt} = \sqrt{1 + \left(\dfrac{dy}{dx}\right)^{2}} \dfrac{dx}{dt} .

Equating this to v = 2 g ( 1 y ) v = \sqrt{2g(1 - y)} we then have that d t = 1 2 g 1 + ( d y / d x ) 2 1 y d x dt = \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2g}} \sqrt{\dfrac{1 + (dy/dx)^{2}}{1 - y}} dx .

Then with y = e x d y d x = e x y = e^{-x} \Longrightarrow \dfrac{dy}{dx} = -e^{-x} , upon integration we have that

t a , b = 1 2 g a b 1 + e 2 x 1 e x d x \displaystyle\large t_{a,b} = \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2g}} \int_{a}^{b} \sqrt{\dfrac{1 + e^{-2x}}{1 - e^{-x}}} dx ,

and so P + Q + R + S = 1 + ( 2 ) + ( 1 ) + ( 1 ) = 3 P + Q + R + S = 1 + (-2) + (-1) + (-1) = \boxed{-3} .

Nice question and nice solution

Shivansh Bajaj - 4 years, 1 month ago

Nicely done, I was thinking of a rather brute approach of using the forces and writing the Newton's laws.

Rohit Gupta - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Sounds fun. I like brute approaches. Although I did it the energy way as well originally.

Steven Chase - 4 years, 1 month ago

How did you get from d s = ( d x 2 + d y 2 ) ds=\sqrt{(dx^2+dy^2)} to d s / d x = ( 1 + ( d y / d x ) 2 ) ds/dx=\sqrt{(1+(dy/dx)^2)} ? Could you explain or give a link perhaps?

Erfan Huq - 4 years, 1 month ago

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d s = d x 2 + d y 2 = d x 1 + ( d y d x ) 2 d s d x = 1 + ( d y d x ) 2 ds = \sqrt{dx^{2} + dy^{2}} = dx\sqrt{1 + \left(\dfrac{dy}{dx}\right)^{2}} \Longrightarrow \dfrac{ds}{dx} = \sqrt{1 + \left(\dfrac{dy}{dx}\right)^{2}} .

Here is a discussion of arclength. If it helps, think of the formula in terms of increments Δ s , Δ x \Delta s, \Delta x and Δ y \Delta y and then "shrink" those increments to d s , d x ds, dx and d y dy .

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 1 month ago

I have tried to do this integral, visited wolfram, other sites but no luck, would like to know how to do it. I am sure it involves a u substitution maybe several iterations, would appreciate some help.

brayton bailey - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Or you could just ask @Chew-Seong Cheong :) :). He's the integration guru

Steven Chase - 4 years, 1 month ago

Question is underrated.!

Md Zuhair - 4 years ago
Arjen Vreugdenhil
Apr 29, 2017

In the resulting integral, the variable of integration is x x , so we will express everything in terms of x x . We already know y ( x ) = e x . y(x) = e^{-x}. Since the only forces on the bead are the gravitational force and a (perpendicular) normal force, we apply conservation of mechanical energy. The initial mechanical energy is E 0 = m g 1 = m g E_0 = mg\cdot 1 = mg ; thus we have m g y + 1 2 m v 2 = m g v 2 = 2 g ( 1 y ) , mgy + \tfrac12mv^2 = mg\ \ \ \ \therefore\ \ \ \ v^2 = 2g(1-y), so that v ( x ) = 2 g 1 e x . v(x) = \sqrt{2g}\sqrt{1 - e^{-x}}. Now consider what happens as the bead slides over an infinitesimal horizontal distance d x dx . It also moves vertically; using the derivative of y ( x ) y(x) we have d y = d y d x d x = e x d x . dy = \frac{dy}{dx}dx = -e^{-x}dx. Thus the overall distance is d s = d x 2 + d y 2 = d x 1 2 + ( e x ) 2 = d x 1 + e 2 x . ds = \sqrt{dx^2 + dy^2} = dx\sqrt{1^2 + (-e^{-x})^2} = dx\sqrt{1 + e^{-2x}}. Now we can write an expression for the time it takes to slide this distance: d t = d s v = 1 + e 2 x d x 2 g 1 e x = 1 2 g 1 + e 2 x 1 e x d x . dt = \frac{ds}v = \frac{\sqrt{1+e^{-2x}}dx}{\sqrt{2g}\sqrt{1-e^{-x}}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2g}}\sqrt{\frac{1+e^{-2x}}{1-e^{-x}}}\ dx. The total time to slide from x = a x = a to x = b x = b is simply t a , b = a b d t , t_{a,b} = \int_a^b dt, so when we substitute the expression we found for d t dt we get the desired result: t a , b = 1 2 g a b 1 + e 2 x 1 e x d x . t_{a,b} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2g}}\int_a^b \sqrt{\frac{1+e^{-2x}}{1-e^{-x}}}\ dx. Comparing coefficients and exponents show immediately that P = 1 , Q = 2 , R = 1 , S = 1 \boxed{P = 1,\ Q = -2,\ R = -1,\ S = -1}

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