Greatest value

Algebra Level 3

a 2 + b 2 = 7 a^{2} + b^{2} = 7 and a 3 + b 3 = 10 a^{3} +b^{3} = 10 , then the greatest value of a + b a +b can be

5 9/2 6 4

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2 solutions

Shivam Jadhav
Apr 5, 2014

a + b = x a + b = x ( s a y ) (say) , then x 2 = a 2 + b 2 + 2 a b x^{2} = a^{2} + b^{2} + 2ab , x 3 = a 3 + b 3 + 3 a b ( a + b ) x^{3} = a^{3} + b^{3} + 3ab (a + b) , Eliminating a b ab , we get x 3 21 x + 20 x^{3} - 21x +20 , So, x = 1 x = 1 or 4 4 or 5 -5

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You still have to show that these values are attainable. Currently, all that you have is a necessary condition. Does there exist a + b = 4 a + b = 4 that satisfy the conditions?

Nice solution! But don't you think that the Cauchy-Schwarz Inequality would have lessened our labours a lot?

B.S.Bharath Sai Guhan - 4 years, 11 months ago

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Not quite. This approach provides a much more restrictive condition than CS, which gives you more insight into the problem, namely that the value of a + b a+b is pretty limited.

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 11 months ago

Probably the reason for several option suggest the approach below at this level.
7 = a 2 + b 2 = ( a + b ) 2 2 a b . a b = ( a + b ) 2 7 2 . 10 = a 3 + b 3 = ( a + b ) 3 3 a b ( a + b ) = ( a + b ) { ( a + b ) 2 3 a b } . a b = ( a + b ) 2 10 a + b 3 . ( a + b ) 2 7 2 = ( a + b ) 2 10 a + b 3 . ( a + b ) { 21 ( a + b ) 2 } = 20. L . H . S . w i l l g i v e f r a c t i o n f o r a + b = 9 2 . n o t a s o l u t i o n . a + b = 4 , L . H . S . = 4 ( 21 16 ) = 20 = R . H . S . a + b = 4 . 7=a^2+b^2=(a+b)^2-2ab.\\ \therefore~ab=\dfrac{(a+b)^2 - 7} 2.\\ 10=a^3+b^3=(a+b)^3-3ab(a+b)=(a+b)\{(a+b)^2 - 3ab\}.\\ \therefore~ab=\dfrac{(a+b)^2 - \frac{10}{a+b}} 3.\\ \therefore~\dfrac{(a+b)^2 - 7} 2 = \dfrac{(a+b)^2 - \frac{10}{a+b}} 3.\\ \color{#3D99F6}{\implies~(a+b)\{21 - (a+b)^2\}=20.}\\ L.H.S. ~will~give~fraction~for~a+b=\dfrac 9 2.~~\therefore~not~a~solution.\\ a+b=4,~L.H.S.~ =~4 * (21 - 16)=20=R.H.S.~~~~~~~~~\color{#D61F06}{a+b=4}.

a+b=5, R.H.S. >0. So~(a+b)^2>21, no solution > 4.
At this level the wording "greatest value" only miss leads. If that is the intention it is OK.

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