Guilherme's algebraic expression

Algebra Level 3

Evaluate

A = 24 ( 45 29 2 3 + 45 + 29 2 3 ) . A=\sqrt{24\left(\sqrt[3]{45 - 29\sqrt{2}} + \sqrt[3]{45+29 \sqrt{2}}\right)}.

This problem is posed by Guilherme K .


The answer is 12.

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7 solutions

Pranav Arora
Nov 18, 2013

We see that

45 + 29 2 = 27 + 18 + 27 2 + 2 2 45+29\sqrt{2}=27+18+27\sqrt{2}+2\sqrt{2} = 3 3 + ( 2 ) 3 + 3 ( 3 ) ( 2 ) 2 + 3 ( 3 ) 2 ( 2 ) =3^3+(\sqrt{2})^3+3\cdot(3)\cdot(\sqrt{2})^2+3\cdot(3)^2\cdot(\sqrt{2})

45 + 29 2 = ( 3 + 2 ) 3 \Rightarrow 45+29\sqrt{2}=(3+\sqrt{2})^3

Similarly, 45 29 2 = ( 3 2 ) 3 45-29\sqrt{2}=(3-\sqrt{2})^3

Therefore, A = 24 ( 3 2 + 3 + 2 ) = 24 × 6 = 144 = 12 A=\sqrt{24(3-\sqrt{2}+3+\sqrt{2})}=\sqrt{24 \times 6}=\sqrt{144}=12

Thanks dude!

Muhammad Ridwan Apriansyah B. - 7 years, 6 months ago

Wow great observation!

Alaa Qarooni - 7 years ago

Great!

Guilherme Kowalczuk - 7 years, 6 months ago

thanks!

Ella Ush - 7 years, 6 months ago

wow grea

Juang Bhakti Hastyadi - 7 years, 6 months ago
Siao Chi Mok
Nov 17, 2013

Since the most complicated part is 45 29 2 3 + 45 + 29 2 3 \sqrt[3]{45 - 29\sqrt{2}} + \sqrt[3]{45 + 29\sqrt{2}} , let's simplify that part first.

Let X = 45 29 2 3 X = \sqrt[3]{45 - 29\sqrt{2}} and Y = 45 + 29 2 3 Y = \sqrt[3]{45 + 29\sqrt{2}} .

There is a well-known identity, which is:

X 3 + Y 3 = ( X + Y ) ( X 2 X Y + Y 2 ) X^3+ Y^3 = (X + Y) (X^2 - XY + Y^2)

If we rearrange the identity, it becomes:

X + Y = X 3 + Y 3 X 2 X Y + Y 2 X + Y = \frac{X^3+ Y^3} {X^2 - XY + Y^2}

When we substitute X = 45 29 2 3 X = \sqrt[3]{45 - 29\sqrt{2}} and Y = 45 + 29 2 3 Y = \sqrt[3]{45 + 29\sqrt{2}} , it becomes:

X + Y = ( 45 29 2 3 ) 3 + ( 45 + 29 2 3 ) 3 X 2 X Y + Y 2 X + Y = \frac{(\sqrt[3]{45 - 29\sqrt{2}})^3+ (\sqrt[3]{45 + 29\sqrt{2}})^3} {X^2 - XY + Y^2}

X + Y = 45 29 2 + 45 + 29 2 X 2 X Y + Y 2 X + Y = \frac{45 - 29\sqrt{2}+ 45 + 29\sqrt{2}} {X^2 - XY + Y^2}

X + Y = 90 X 2 X Y + Y 2 X + Y = \frac{90} {X^2 - XY + Y^2} ----------(1)

Take note that:

X Y = ( 45 29 2 3 ) ( 45 + 29 2 3 ) XY = (\sqrt[3]{45 - 29\sqrt{2}})(\sqrt[3]{45 + 29\sqrt{2}})

X Y = ( 45 29 2 ) ( 45 + 29 2 ) 3 XY = \sqrt[3]{(45 - 29\sqrt{2})(45 + 29\sqrt{2})}

According to the identity ( a b ) ( a + b ) = a 2 b 2 (a - b)(a + b) = a^2 - b^2 ,

X Y = 4 5 2 ( 29 2 ) 2 3 XY = \sqrt[3]{45^2 - (29\sqrt{2})^2}

X Y = 2025 1682 3 XY = \sqrt[3]{2025 - 1682}

X Y = 343 3 XY = \sqrt[3]{343}

X Y = 7 XY = 7 ----------(2)

In addition, since X 2 + Y 2 = ( X + Y ) 2 2 X Y X^2 + Y^2 = (X + Y)^2 - 2XY ,

X 2 + Y 2 = ( X + Y ) 2 ( 2 ) ( 7 ) X^2 + Y^2 = (X + Y)^2 - (2)(7)

X 2 + Y 2 = ( X + Y ) 2 14 X^2 + Y^2 = (X + Y)^2 - 14 ----------(3)

Substitute equation (2) and (3) into (1):

X + Y = 90 ( X + Y ) 2 14 7 X + Y = \frac{90} {(X + Y)^2 - 14 - 7}

X + Y = 90 ( X + Y ) 2 21 X + Y = \frac{90} {(X + Y)^2 - 21}

Manipulating the equation yields:

( X + Y ) 3 21 ( X + Y ) 90 = 0 (X + Y)^3 -21(X+Y) -90 = 0

After factorising the solution, we have:

( ( X + Y ) 6 ) ( ( X + Y ) 2 + 6 ( X + Y ) + 15 ) = 0 ((X + Y)-6) ((X + Y)^2 + 6(X+Y) + 15) = 0

and the only real root is X + Y = 6 X + Y = 6 .

Substitute X + Y = 6 X + Y = 6 into the main equation:

A = 24 ( X + Y ) A = \sqrt{24 (X+Y)}

A = 24 ( 6 ) A = \sqrt{24 (6)}

A = 144 A = \sqrt{144}

Hence, A = 12 A = \boxed {12} .

You could have used ( 45 + 2 2 ) = ( 3 + 2 ) 3 {(45+2\sqrt2)} = {(3+\sqrt2)}^3 and ( 45 2 2 ) = ( 3 2 ) 3 {(45-2\sqrt2)} = {(3-\sqrt2)}^3 .

Snehdeep Arora - 7 years, 6 months ago

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Haven't thought of that. It'd be a much easier solution, compared to mine. Thanks for reminding me of that.

Siao Chi Mok - 7 years, 6 months ago

It would be easier if 3+ 2 \sqrt{2} and 3- 2 \sqrt{2} were used to simplify the expression. However, the above is a refreshing approach to solving the question. Most would have opted for convenience instead.

Song Kai Tan - 7 years, 6 months ago
Christopher Boo
Nov 18, 2013

This is a beautiful expression! However, it is too complicated.

So, let us set some variables and see what would it become

45 29 2 ( a b ) 3 ( 1 ) 45-29\sqrt{2}\equiv(a-b)^3----------(1)

45 + 29 2 ( a + b ) 3 ( 2 ) 45+29\sqrt{2}\equiv(a+b)^3----------(2)

Then we will have:

A = 24 ( ( a b ) 3 3 + ( a + b ) 3 3 ) A=\sqrt{24(\sqrt[3]{(a-b)^3}+\sqrt[3]{(a+b)^3})}

A = 24 ( ( a b ) + ( a + b ) ) A=\sqrt{24((a-b)+(a+b))}

A = 24 ( 2 a ) A=\sqrt{24(2a)}

A = 48 a A=\sqrt{48a}

Interestingly, the expression is now more "friendly", isn't it? So all we need to do is solve for a a !

( 1 ) + ( 2 ) (1)+(2) , we will get:

a 3 + 3 a b 2 = 45 ( 4 ) a^3+3ab^2=45----------(4)

( 1 ) ( 2 ) (1)-(2) , we will get:

b 3 + 3 a 2 b = 29 2 ( 5 ) b^3+3a^2b=29\sqrt{2}----------(5)

There is no 2 \sqrt{2} in ( 4 ) (4) but it is present in ( 5 ) (5) , so we can conclude that 2 \sqrt{2} is squared in ( 4 ) (4) , which is b b and we can get b = 2 b=\sqrt{2}

Substitute b = 2 b=\sqrt{2} into ( 5 ) (5) and we will get:

2 2 + 3 2 a 2 = 29 2 2\sqrt{2}+3\sqrt{2}a^2=29\sqrt{2}

a = ± 3 a=\pm3

However in this case, a a is a positive number for A A to be real. So we conclude

a = 3 a=3

Finally, substitute a = 3 a=3 into the previous "friendly" expression and we will get

A = 12 A=12

It's much easier than mine

Siao Chi Mok - 7 years, 6 months ago

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Thanks!

Christopher Boo - 7 years, 6 months ago
Kirtan Bhatt
Nov 24, 2013

The problem is fairly simple to a mathematical intuitionist. Since cube roots are appearing, one can easily suspect that the quantity inside the cube root must be a perfect cube. By a little bit of analysis, you find out that the quantity in the first cube root is a perfect cube of (3-√2) and the quantity inside the second cube root is a perfect cube of (3+ √2). Now the problem becomes quite simple. On adding both the quantities, we get square root of (24*6), which is square root of 144, i.e. 12.

Dhurjati Das
Nov 23, 2013

take the cube root of 45-29root 2 as (x-y) and the other as x+y multiply both with each other and then cube the first equation by subtituition u will get x and then rest u can understand

Daniel Wang
Nov 18, 2013

We realize that the first cube root expression is of the form a + b 2 a+b\sqrt{2} , and the second expression of the form a b 2 a-b\sqrt{2} . So the entire expression becomes 24 ( 2 a ) \sqrt{24(2a)} . Evaluating at a = 1 , 2 a=1,2 doesn't result in an integer, but a = 3 a=3 does, which makes the answer 12 \boxed{12} .

Note: the next highest a that works is a=12, which is unrealistic.

Can you explain why "the first cube root expression is of the form a + b 2 a + b \sqrt{2} ? Is this claim always true? What is the cube root of 1 + 2 1 + \sqrt{2} ?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 6 months ago

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Since in the problem, 29√2 is appearing, it would be easier and convenient to assume the first expression of the form a+b√2, so as to make calculations easier, and to avoid square roots in the calculations.

kirtan bhatt - 7 years, 6 months ago
Adam Zaim
Nov 17, 2013

If you're smart enough, use calculator. XD Sorry. That's what I just did. :3

you are thinking that you are more smart than others

Gaurav singh - 7 years, 6 months ago

Please don't take challenges as a joke. Try to do without electronic help.

Surveen Guggal - 7 years, 6 months ago

If you don't want to do it by hand, you could also make some rough approximations to get to the answer. I could agree more with that method even than with using a calculator.

HS N - 7 years, 6 months ago

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