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Algebra Level 2

A geometric sequence with common ratio r r starts like this:

4 4 , 17 x 17-x , 31 + x 31+x ,...

Where x x and r r are positive integers. What is the sum of x x , r r , and the 5 t h 5^{th} term in the sequence?


The answer is 332.

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5 solutions

Prasun Biswas
Mar 16, 2014

Given that the three successive terms in GP are 4 , ( 17 x ) , ( 31 + x ) , . . . . 4,(17-x),(31+x),.... with first term ( a ) = 4 (a)=4 and the common ratio be r r . Now, we know that in a GP, T n T n 1 = r \large \frac{T_n}{T_{n-1}}=r . Using this fact, we have two equations for r r . They are ----

r = 17 x 4 = 31 + x 17 x \large r=\frac{17-x}{4}=\frac{31+x}{17-x} . So----

17 x 4 = 31 + x 17 x \large \frac{17-x}{4}=\frac{31+x}{17-x}

( 17 x ) 2 = 4 ( 31 + x ) \implies (17-x)^2=4(31+x)

289 34 x 2 + x 2 = 124 + 4 x \implies 289-34x^2+x^2=124+4x

x 2 38 x + 165 = 0 \implies x^2-38x+165=0

( x 5 ) ( x 33 ) = 0 \implies (x-5)(x-33)=0

x 5 = 0 or x 33 = 0 \implies x-5=0\quad \text{ or }\quad x-33=0

x = 5 or x = 33 \implies x=5 \quad \text{ or }\quad x=33

Now, both the solutions of x x are positive, so we take both the solutions into account for now !

Now, from original equation of r r , we have ---

r = 17 x 4 4 r = 17 x . . . . . . ( i ) r=\frac{17-x}{4} \implies 4r=17-x ......(i)

Here, in eq. (i), if we put x = 33 x=33 , this makes r r (-ve) which is in violation of the given criteria. So, x 33 x\neq 33 . Thus, we have x = 5 x=\boxed{5} . Putting this in eq. (i), we get-----

4 r = 17 5 4 r = 12 r = 3 4r=17-5 \implies 4r=12 \implies r=\boxed{3}

Now, we have the values of a , r a,r and we should know that the n t h n^{th} term of a GP is calculated by the formula a n = a . r n 1 a_n=a.r^{n-1} where a n a_n represents the n t h n^{th} term of a GP.

So, the 5 t h 5^{th} term in the series is equal to the value of a . r 5 1 = a . r 4 a.r^{5-1}=a.r^4 . So----

a 5 = a . r 4 = 4 × 3 4 = 4 × 81 = 324 a_5=a.r^4=4\times 3^4 = 4\times 81 = \boxed{324}

Now, the reqd. sum = x + r + a 5 = 5 + 3 + 324 = 332 =x+r+a_5 = 5+3+324=\boxed{332}

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Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Thanks, bro !! :)

Prasun Biswas - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

awesome solution!! well explained.

Krishna Ramesh - 7 years, 1 month ago

Hello,1st,you must find the value of x,

By using common ratio,

(17 - x) / 4 = (31 + x ) / 17 - x

(17 - x)(17 - x) = 4(31+ x)

289 - 34x+ x^2 = 124 + 4x

x^2 - 38x + 165 = 0

(x-33)(x-5)=0

x=33,or x=5

when x=33,the sequence is 4,-16,64(r is -,no need to take the value) as r=-4=-16/4=64/-16

when x=5,the sequence is 4,12,36(take this one),r=12/4=36/12=3

5th term=a.r^4=4.(3)^4=324

Therefore,x+r+ 5th term= 5+3+324=332

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Aman Srivastava
Mar 21, 2014

r=(17-x)/4=(31+x)/(17-x) solve the equation... x=5 r=3 5th term of GP=4.r^(4) =324 sum=5+3+324=332

Mkuseli Katamzi
Mar 16, 2014

In order to find x, use r's definition in geometric progression:‎ ‎(17-x)/4= (31+x)/ (17-x)‎ Algebraic manipulation (particularly, cross multiplication) will result:‎ ‎0 = x^2 -38x + 165‎ which when factorized gives ‎0 = (x-33) (x-5)‎ and by the zero product property, x = 33 or x = 5.‎

Thusly,‎ r = (17-33)/4 or r = (17-5)/4‎ Equivalently,‎ r = -4 or r = 3‎

Here is where reading (or rereading) skills helps. Extracting from the question: "Where x and r are positive integers."‎

From the question, then,‎ r = 3.‎

Obtain "the fifth term of the sequence," from the general equation of geometric progression: T (n) = a (r) ^n-1‎, T (5) = 4 (3) ^5-1 = 4*(3) ^4 = 4(81) = 324‎

Referring back to the question, one tries to answer the question of the sum of x, r and T (5):‎ ‎5 + 3 + 324 = 332‎

Finn Hulse
Mar 10, 2014

First, we must find what the common ratio and x x are. For any r r , then the third term, which is 4 × r 2 4 \times{r^{2}} , must be greater than 32, because x x is positive. So the only considerable option for r r is 3. 4 is obviously way too huge for 17 x 17-x to be 4 times 4, which is 16. If we plug 3 in for r r , and let x x be equal to 5, it works. So with that, we can find out that the fifth number in the sequence is 324. Adding 324 + 3 + 5 324+3+5 , we get 332 \boxed{332} .

When x = 33 , r = 4 x = 33 , r = -4 . You didn't specify if r r is a positive integer. Also, I wouldn't recommend using this way to find the solution. An easier way is to use the fact that when a , b , c a , b , c are in a GP, then b 2 = a c b^2 = ac

Siddhartha Srivastava - 7 years, 3 months ago

I didn't understand this. Can you explain this to me?

Ibtasam Siddiqi - 7 years, 2 months ago

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