Help, I can't get out!

You stand on a solid sphere of uniform density with total mass 2 × 1 0 30 kg 2 \times 10^{30}~\mbox{kg} (the mass of the sun). The escape velocity from the surface of the sphere is equal to the speed of light, 3 × 1 0 8 m/s 3 \times 10^8~\mbox{m/s} . What is the radius of the sphere in meters ?

Details and assumptions

  • Newton's constant is 6.67 × 1 0 11 Nm 2 / kg 2 6.67 \times 10^{-11}~\mbox{Nm}^2/\mbox{kg}^2 .


The answer is 2964.

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20 solutions

Ang Yu Jian
May 20, 2014

When an object attains escape velocity, it is unbound to the system, and has zero total energy. Therefore, the gravitational potential energy is equal in magnitude to the kinetic energy. \frac {1}{2} m v^2 + (- \frac {GMm}{r}) = 0. We can cancel the mass of the object, which we assume is small enough such that the local gravitational fields are constant along it. Shifting terms around, r= /frac {2GM}{v^2}. Simple substitution will do to find r once we put the velocity v equal to the speed of light c. Incidentally, it is to be noted that this radius is known as the Schwarzschild radius of an object with one solar mass and describes a black hole.

Jimmy Kariznov
Aug 4, 2013

On the surface of the sphere, we have:

Kinetic Energy K 1 = 1 2 m v e 2 K_1 = \dfrac{1}{2}mv^2_e and Potential Energy U 1 = G M m R U_1 = -\dfrac{GMm}{R} .

Infinitely far away from the sphere, we have:

Kinetic Energy K 2 = 0 K_2 =0 and Potential Energy U 2 = 0 U_2 = 0 .

By, conservation of mechanical energy, we have:

U 1 + K 1 = U 2 + K 2 U_1 + K_1 = U_2 + K_2 1 2 m v e 2 G M m R = 0 \leadsto \dfrac{1}{2}mv^2_e - \dfrac{GMm}{R} = 0

R = 2 G M v e 2 = 2 ( 6.67 × 1 0 11 Nm 2 /kg 2 ) ( 2 × 1 0 30 kg ) ( 3 × 1 0 8 m/s ) 2 = 2964 m \leadsto R = \dfrac{2GM}{v^2_e} = \dfrac{2(6.67 \times 10^{-11} \ \text{Nm}^2\text{/kg}^2)(2 \times 10^{30} \ \text{kg})}{(3 \times 10^8 \ \text{m/s})^2} = \boxed{2964 \ \text{m}}

Sagar Chand
May 20, 2014

Let M be mass of solid sphere Let m be mass of any body whose escape velocity is v

F=GMm/x^2

Work done in moving a body by a small distance dx

dW = F.dx dW = (GMm/x^2)dx

Integrating both sides LHS limit upper limit = W lower limit = 0

RHS limit upper limit = infinity lower limit = R

W = GMm/R

Let v be escape velocity

Kinetic Energy = (1/2)mv^2

1/2mv^2 = GMm/R v^2 = 2GM/R R= 2GM/v^2

on keeping values we get R = 2964.4km

Kevin Fei
Aug 6, 2013
  • Method 1: You realize this problem is merely asking for the Schwarzschild radius for the sun. The formula is: r s = 2 G m c 2 r_{s} = \frac{2Gm}{c^2} , where m is the mass of the sun and c is the speed of light. You plug in the numbers and you get r s = 2964 m r_{s} = 2964 m

  • Method 2: The escape velocity is the velocity you need to move from your current position to r = r = \infty with exactly 0 velocity left. You start with an initial kinetic energy and gravitational potential energy and end with 0 energy. Using K = 1 2 m v 2 K = \frac{1}{2}mv^{2} and U g = G m M / r U_{g} = -GmM/r :

K i n i t i a l + U i n i t i a l = K f i n a l + U f i n a l K_{initial} + U_{initial} = K_{final} + U_{final}

1 2 m v 2 + G m M / r = 1 2 m 0 2 + G m M / = 0 \frac{1}{2}mv^{2} + -GmM/r = \frac{1}{2}m0^{2} + -GmM/ \infty = 0

where m is mass of your launched object, M is the mass of the sun, v is the escape velocity, and r is the distance from the center of the sun.

After manipulation:

r = r s = 2 G M v 2 r = r_{s} = \frac{2GM}{v^2}

You get the same answer r = 2964 m r = 2964 m

Daniel Moura
Aug 5, 2013

Assuming that the escape velocity is equals to Ve=\sqrt { \frac { 2GM }{ r } } , where G is the newton's constant, M is the mass of the sphere, r is the radius of the sphere and Ve is the escape velocity. Substituting by the values given, we have that : 3×10\^ \left{ 8 \right} =\sqrt { \frac { 2×6.67×10\^ \left{ -11 \right} ×2×10\^ \left{ 30 \right} }{ r } } , and resolving the equation, whe have the answer is 2964

Let's take escape velocity as 'Ve' . Radius of sun as 'r' . Mass off the sun as 'M' . Newton's constant as 'G' . So, Ve = square root of (2 G M/r) which implies, Ve^2 = 2 G M/r which implies, r = 2 G M/Ve^2 Substituting the values we get r = (2 * 6.67 * 10 ^ -11 * 2 * 10^30) / ((3 * 10^8)^2) * =(4 * 6.67)/(9) * 10^3 * * =(2.964444) * 10^3 * * = 2964.4 m *

Duc Minh Phan
Aug 4, 2013

By using the escape velocity formula : v e = 2 G M r v_e = \sqrt{\frac{2GM}{r}} , we have r = 2 G M v e 2 = 2 × 6.67 × 1 0 11 × 2 × 1 0 30 ( 3 × 1 0 8 ) 2 2964 m . r = \frac{2GM}{v_e^2} = \frac{2 \times 6.67 \times 10^{-11} \times 2 \times 10^{30}}{(3 \times 10^8)^2} \approx 2964 \, \text{m}.

André Seiki F K
Aug 10, 2013

Ve = root(2GM/r)

Ve = (3)10^8 m/s , G=(6.67)10^(-11) N*m^2/kg^2 and M=(2)10^30 Kg, so

(3)10^8 = root((2)(6.67)(10^(-11))(2)10^30/r)

(9)10^16 = (26.68)10^19/r

R = 2.964444...*10^3 m

Qi Huan Tan
Aug 10, 2013

Let M M be the mass of the sphere, m m be the mass of the person, v e v_e be the escape velocity, r r be the radius of the sphere. By principle of conservation of energy, ( K + U g ) i = ( K + U g ) f (K+U_g)_i=(K+U_g)_f . K f = 0 K_f=0 because the final velocity is zero, U g f = 0 U_{gf}=0 because its final distance is infinity. Thus, 1 2 m v e 2 + G M m r = 0 + 0 \frac{1}{2}mv_e^2+\frac{-GMm}{r}=0+0 . r = 2 G M v e 2 = ( 2 ) ( 6.67 × 1 0 11 ) ( 2 × 1 0 30 ) ( 3 × 1 0 8 ) 2 = 2964.44 m r=\frac{2GM}{v_e^2}=\frac{(2)(6.67\times10^{-11})(2\times10^{30})}{(3\times10^8)^2}=2964.44m .

Shyam Anna
Aug 10, 2013

The total energy on the sphere is only potential(assuming no rotational kinetic energy).. The potential energy is given by U=GMm/R; where M=mass of sphere m=mass of body R=radius of sphere G=Newton's Constant An energy equal to this potential energy has to be supplied to escape out of its gravitational field which is the kinetic energy given by E=(mv^2)/2; Equating both we get it!!!

the formulae to find the radius is V = {sqrt (2gR) [escape velocity = square root over (2 x acceleration due to gravity x Radius)]}

i.e. V = sqrt [2 {(GM)/R)}] [since, g = (GM)/R^2]

or, R = (2GM)/V^2

where, G = [6.67×10^−11 Nm^2/kg^2]

M =[2 x 10^30 Kg]

V = [3 x 10^]

=2964.44

Denny Trimcev
Aug 7, 2013

Setting the conservation of mechanical energy:

1 2 m v 0 2 \frac{1}{2}mv_{0}^2 - G M m r 0 \frac{GMm}{r_{0}} = 1 2 m v 1 2 \frac{1}{2}mv_{1}^2 - G M m r 1 \frac{GMm}{r_{1}}

We require that the projectil we fire with velocity equal to the light's from the sphere escapes from its gravitational attraction with velocity equal to 0, at infinite distance, so

v 0 v_{0} = c c

v 1 v_{1} = 0 0

r 1 r_1 \to + +\infty , G M m r 1 0 , \frac{GMm}{r_1} \to 0

So:

1 2 m c 2 \frac{1}{2}mc^2 - G M m r 0 \frac{GMm}{r_{0}} = 0 0

Solving for r 0 r_0 ,

r 0 r_0 = 2 G M c 2 \frac{2GM}{c^2}

which gives r 0 = 2964 m r_0= 2964 m

Please note that r 0 r_0 is the radius of a black hole with mass equal to the Sun's

Jonathon Capps
Aug 6, 2013

The equation for escape velocity is v e = 2 G M r v_e = \sqrt{\frac{2GM}{r}} , solving for r we have r = 2 G M v e 2 = 2964.4 r = \frac{2GM}{v_e^2} = 2964.4

Michael Tong
Aug 6, 2013

v e = 2 G M r v_e = \sqrt {\frac {2GM}{r}} where v e v_e is the escape velocity, G G is the gravitational constant, M M is the mass of the sphere and r r is the radius of the sphere. Plugging in our information we get r = 2.97 × 1 0 3 m r = 2.97 \times 10^3 m as our answer.

Mayank Kaushik
Aug 6, 2013

v = 2 G M r v = \sqrt\frac{2GM}{r}

putting values r = 2964.444444444444 r = 2964.444444444444

Iq 131
Aug 5, 2013

We know escape velocity v can be calculated as - v = ( (2 G M) / R )^0.5 given G = 6.67×10^(−11), M = 2 10^30, v = 3 10^8

Michael Lee
Aug 4, 2013

The escape velocity is the velocity such that sum of the kinetic energy and gravitational potential energy is zero. Thus, m v e 2 2 G M m r = 0 \frac{m {v_e}^2}{2}-\frac{G M m}{r}=0 . This provides v e = 2 G M r v_e = \sqrt{\frac{2 G M}{r}} , and thus, r = 2 G M v e 2 r = \frac{2 G M}{{v_e}^2} . Plugging in 6.67 × 1 0 11 N m 2 kg 2 6.67 \times 10^{-11} \frac{\text{N} \cdot \text{m}^2}{\text{kg}^2} for G G , 2 × 1 0 30 kg 2 \times 10^{30} \text{ kg} for M M , and 3 × 1 0 8 m / s 3 \times 10^8 \text{ m}/\text{s} for v e v_e , we get r 2964 m r \approx 2964 \text{ m} .

Cody Johnson
Aug 4, 2013

v f 2 = v e 2 + 2 a r = v e 2 2 G m r = 0 r = 2 G m v e 2 = 2964 m e t e r s v_f^2=v_e^2+2ar=v_e^2-\frac{2Gm}{r}=0 \to r=\frac{2Gm}{v_e^2}=2964 meters

Although the answer is correct, acceleration is not constant throughout motion so you cannot use that 1-D kinematics equation. Newton's law of gravitation says that force decreases with distance squared and hence acceleration does too.

Kevin Fei - 7 years, 10 months ago
Francisco Rivera
Aug 4, 2013

We can relate the escape velocity to the mass and radius by the following equation: v e = 2 G M r v_e = \sqrt{ \frac{2GM}{r}}

We simply plug in the gravitational constant G = 6.67 × 1 0 11 G = 6.67 \times 10^{-11} , mass m = 2 × 1 0 30 m = 2 \times 10^{30} , escape velocity v e = 3 × 1 0 8 v_e = 3 \times 10^8 and solve for the radius, which gives us: r = 2964.44 r = \boxed{2964.44}

Ruslan Abdulgani
Aug 4, 2013

Escape velocity V = (2.G.M/r)^0.5. radius r = (2.G.M/(V^2)) = 2964 meter

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