Relationship Between Orthic Triangle And Original Triangle?

Geometry Level 5

Let A B C ABC be a triangle with sides 13, 14 and 15. If the perimeter of its orthic triangle can be represented as p q \dfrac {p}{q} , where p p and q q are coprime positive integers, what is the value of p + q p+q ?


The answer is 1409.

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The lengths of the legs of the orthic triangle of a triangle Δ A B C \Delta ABC with legs a , b , c a,b,c are given by a = a cos A , b = b cos B , c = c cos C a' = a|\cos A|, \quad b' = b|\cos B|, \quad c' = c|\cos C| so the perimeter of this orthic triangle is applying cosine rule : 13 ( 1 4 2 + 1 5 2 1 3 2 2 14 15 ) + 14 ( 1 3 2 + 1 5 2 1 4 2 2 13 15 ) + 15 ( 1 3 2 + 1 4 2 1 5 2 2 13 14 ) = 1344 65 . . . 13 \cdot (\frac{14^2 + 15^2 - 13^2}{2\cdot 14 \cdot 15}) + 14 \cdot (\frac{13^2 + 15^2 - 14^2}{2\cdot 13 \cdot 15}) + 15 \cdot (\frac{13^2 + 14^2 - 15^2}{2\cdot 13 \cdot 14}) = \frac{1344}{65}...

I used the same method slightly differently and got the answer, but lost it because of malfunction of my I-pad. This is on my PC.
N u m e r a t o r , p = ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) 2 4 ( a 4 + b 4 + c 4 ) a n d D e n o m i n a t o r , q = 2 a b c . ( p + q ) = ( 1 3 2 + 1 4 2 + 1 5 2 ) 2 2 ( 1 3 4 + 1 4 4 + 1 5 4 ) + 2 13 14 15 42 = 1344 + 65 = 1409. Numerator,\ \ \ p=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2-4*(a^4+b^4+c^4) \ \ \ and\ \ \ Denominator,\ \ \ q=2*a*b*c.\\ (p+q)=\dfrac{(13^2+14^2+15^2)^2-2*(13^4+14^4+15^4)+2*13*14*15}{42} =1344+65=\ 1409.

Niranjan Khanderia - 4 years, 9 months ago

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Beautiful symmetry! The result looks so pretty when written symbolically -

Perimeter = a.cos A + b.cos B + c.cos C

With usual notation where A, B, C are the angles and a, b, c the sides opposite to them.

Ujjwal Rane - 4 years, 9 months ago

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Thanks . This was necessary because we had to separate out numeration and denominator and simplify . I think both Guillermo and Templado and I have the same web source . link text

Niranjan Khanderia - 4 years, 9 months ago

That is a powerful result! Wow!

Ujjwal Rane - 4 years, 9 months ago

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thank you...

Guillermo Templado - 4 years, 9 months ago
Sharky Kesa
Sep 10, 2016

We use three formulae to solve this problem. Try to prove them all, as they are very handy in the geometer's arsenal.

By Heron's formula, the area of a triangle is

A = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) A = \sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}

s = 13 + 14 + 15 2 = 21 s=\dfrac{13+14+15}{2} = 21 , so we have

A = 21 ( 21 13 ) ( 21 14 ) ( 21 15 ) = 84 A = \sqrt{21(21-13)(21-14)(21-15)} = 84

We then use the following formula to determine the circumradius

R = a b c 4 A = 13 × 14 × 15 4 × 84 = 65 8 \begin{aligned} R &= \dfrac {abc}{4A}\\ &= \dfrac {13 \times 14 \times 15}{4 \times 84}\\ &= \dfrac {65}{8} \end{aligned}

We finally use the formula to determine the perimeter of the orthic triangle

A = P R 2 A = \dfrac {PR}{2}

where P P is the perimeter of the orthic triangle. Thus, P = 2 A R = 168 × 8 65 = 1344 65 P=\frac {2A}{R} = \frac {168 \times 8}{65} = \frac {1344}{65} . Thus, the perimeter of the orthic triangle is 1344 65 \frac {1344}{65} , so the answer is 1409 \boxed{1409} .

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Rico Lee - 4 years, 8 months ago

please tell me a good book for number theory and geometry

Sayantan Saha - 4 years, 9 months ago

How can we prove the last formula?

Anik Mandal - 4 years, 9 months ago

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Use Cosine Rule.

Sharky Kesa - 4 years, 9 months ago

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