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Algebra Level 4

Let a , b a,b and c c be roots of P ( x ) = x 3 + 3 x 2 + 4 x 8 P(x) = x^3 + 3x^2 + 4x - 8 . Suppose S n = a n + b n + c n S_n= a^n + b^n + c^n . If S 3 = 2 m + 1 S_3 = 2^m + 1 and S 5 = 2 n + 1 S_5 = 2^n + 1 , find the value of m + n m+n .


The answer is 13.

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Let P 1 = a + b + c P_1 = a + b + c , P 2 = a b + b c + c a P_2 = ab+bc+ca and P 3 = a b c P_3 = abc . Using Vieta's formulas, we have P 1 = 3 P_1 = -3 , P 2 = 4 P_2=4 and P 3 = 8 P_3 = 8 .

Now, using Newton sums method, we have:

S 1 = P 1 = 3 S 2 = P 1 S 1 2 P 2 = ( 3 ) ( 3 ) 2 ( 4 ) = 1 S 3 = P 1 S 2 P 2 S 1 + 3 P 3 = ( 3 ) ( 1 ) 4 ( 3 ) + 3 ( 8 ) = 33 = 2 5 + 1 S 4 = P 1 S 3 P 2 S 2 + P 3 S 1 = ( 3 ) ( 33 ) 4 ( 1 ) + 8 ( 3 ) = 127 S 5 = P 1 S 4 P 2 S 3 + P 3 S 2 = ( 3 ) ( 127 ) 4 ( 33 ) + 8 ( 1 ) = 257 = 2 8 + 1 \begin{aligned} S_1 & = P_1 = -3 \\ S_2 & = P_1S_1 - 2P_2 = (-3)(-3) - 2(4) = 1 \\ S_3 & = P_1S_2 - P_2S_1 +3P_3 = (-3)(1) - 4(-3) + 3(8) = 33 = 2^5 + 1 \\ S_4 & = P_1S_3 - P_2S_2 +P_3S_1 = (-3)(33) - 4(1)+ 8(-3) = -127 \\ S_5 & = P_1S_4 - P_2S_3 +P_3S_2 = (-3)(-127) - 4(33)+ 8(1) = 257 = 2^8+1 \end{aligned}

m + n = 5 + 8 = 13 \Rightarrow m + n = 5 + 8 = \boxed{13}

Nelson Mandela
Aug 29, 2015

This cubic polynomial has one real root and 2 imaginary roots.

By observing the coefficients, we can observe that the real root is 1.

By using this, we can reduce the cubic to quadratic.

I used horner's method. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horner%27s_method).

We can also take (x-1) common and get the quadratic.

So, the resultant quadratic is x 2 + 4 x + 8 { x }^{ 2 }+4x+8 . It is of the form,( l x 2 + m x + n l{ x }^{ 2 }+mx+n . where l =1, m=4, n=8.

In the above quadratic, determinant\(m^{ 2 }-4ln) is less than zero, So, the roots are complex.

Now the main key points are sum of roots and product of roots. Let us consider 1 as a. Then the remaining roots are b and c.

b+c = -4 and bc = 8. Using this we can find S(3) and S(5).

S(3) :- .

\({ a }^{ 3 }+{ b }^{ 3 }+{ c }^{ 3 }={ { 1 }^{ 3 }+(b+c) }^{ 3 }-3ab(a+b)\quad =\quad 1-64+96\quad =\quad 1+{ 2 }^{ m=5 }\).

S(5):-.

a 5 + b 5 + c 5 = 1 5 + ( b 3 + c 3 ) ( b 2 + c 2 ) b 2 c 2 ( b + c ) = 1 + 32 × 0 ( 256 ) { a }^{ 5 }+{ b }^{ 5 }+{ c }^{ 5 }={ 1 }^{ 5 }+({ b }^{ 3 }+{ c }^{ 3 })({ b }^{ 2 }+{ c }^{ 2 })-{ b }^{ 2 }{ c }^{ 2 }(b+c)=1+32\times 0-(-256) .

= 1 + 2 n = 8 1+{ 2 }^{ n=8 } .

Thus, m=5 and n=8 and m+n=13.

Note:- ( b 2 + c 2 ) = ( b + c ) 2 2 b c = 16 16 = 0. ({ b }^{ 2 }+{ c }^{ 2 })={ (b+c) }^{ 2 }-2bc\quad =\quad 16-16\quad =\quad 0. .

Hey , you can do it by N e w t o n s Newton's s u m s sums also and it will take less time.

Akshat Sharda - 5 years, 9 months ago
Dev Sharma
Aug 30, 2015

its easy to note

a + b + c = 3 a + b + c = -3

a b + b c + c a = 4 ab + bc + ca = 4

a b c = 8 abc = 8

we would get

a 2 + b 2 + c 2 = 1 a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = 1

and then

a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = 33 a^3 + b^3 + c^3 = 33

thus m = 5

and using long calculation

a 5 + b 5 + c 5 = 257 a^5 + b^5 + c^5 = 257

thus n = 8

Try it with NEWTON's SUMS METHOD also as it requires less calculation.

Akshat Sharda - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Bro. Please provide a link to know about Newton sum.

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 9 months ago

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See this .

Akshat Sharda - 5 years, 9 months ago

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