How Tall is the Cone?

Geometry Level 1

When a conical bottle rests on its flat base, the water in the bottle is 8 cm from the cone's vertex.

When the same conical bottle is turned upside down, the water surface is 2 cm from the flat base.

What is the height (in cm) of the bottle?


The answer is 10.2195.

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Let the distance from the cone vertex to the water surface be x x . Then the volume of the cone of height x x is directly proportional to x 3 x^3 . That is V x 3 V \propto x^3 or V = k v 3 V = kv^3 , where k k is a constant. Let the height of the conical bottle be h h .

Then, the volume of water on flat base is V w = k h 3 k ( 8 3 ) V_w = kh^3 - k(8^3) , and that when the bottle is turned upside down V w = k ( h 2 ) 3 V_w = k(h-2)^3 . Therefore,

k h 3 k ( 8 3 ) = k ( h 2 ) 3 Divide both sides by k h 3 512 = h 3 6 h 2 + 12 h 8 Rearrange 6 h 2 12 h 504 = 0 Divide both sides by 6 h 2 2 h 84 = 0 Solving the quadratic for h h = 2 + 340 2 Note that h > 0 10.2195 \begin{aligned} kh^3 - k(8^3) & = k(h-2)^3 & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{Divide both sides by }k \\ h^3 - 512 & = h^3 - 6h^2 + 12h - 8 & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{Rearrange} \\ 6h^2 - 12h - 504 & = 0 & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{Divide both sides by }6 \\ h^2 - 2h - 84 & = 0 & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{Solving the quadratic for }h \\ h & = \frac {2+\sqrt{340}}2 & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{Note that }h >0 \\ & \approx \boxed{10.2195} \end{aligned}

General and nice simple approach

Ahmed Aljayashi - 2 years, 6 months ago

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Glad that you like it.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 6 months ago

In the third sentence, did you mean V = k x 3 V=kx^3 ?

Richard Costen - 2 years, 6 months ago

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Yes, I will change it.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 6 months ago

Why the volume of the cone of height x is directly proportional to x^3?

No One - 2 years, 6 months ago

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Volume V V of any solid of a fixed shape is directly proportional to cube of its linear dimension x x , that is V x 3 V \propto x^3 . Consider a cube of unit side length x = 1 x=1 , then V 1 = 1 3 = 1 V_1 = 1^3 = 1 , if x x is increase to 2 2 , then V 2 = 8 V_2 = 8 , V 3 = 27 V_3 = 27 , V n = n 3 \implies V_n = n^3 . Therefore, volume of cube is directly proportional to x 3 x^3 . Now instead of x = 1 x=1 , let x d x x \to dx become infinitesimal, then V d V V \to dV . Note that any solid can be made up d V \int dV . When d x n d x dx \to n\ dx , d V n 3 d V dV \to n^3 \ dV and the volume of the whole solid increases to n 3 n^3 times its original volume. Similarly, area A x 2 A \propto x^2 .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 6 months ago

the solution is very good, what it doesnt make sense to me is tha you let x to be the distance of the cone vertex to the water surface, which means that as x decreases the volume increases.

Andreas Demetriou - 2 years, 6 months ago

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I said the volume of the cone (not water) is directly proportional to x 3 x^3 .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 6 months ago
David Vreken
Nov 2, 2018

Let the conical bottle have a radius of r r and a height of h h . The volume of a cone is V = 1 3 π r 2 h V = \frac{1}{3}\pi r^2h .

The volume of the water in the right side up bottle is the difference of the volume of the whole cone and the volume of the cone of air (with a radius of r a r_a and a height of 8 8 ), so V w = 1 3 π r 2 h 1 3 π r a 2 8 V_w = \frac{1}{3}\pi r^2 h - \frac{1}{3}\pi r_a^2 8 . Since these two cones are similar, r a r = 8 h \frac{r_a}{r} = \frac{8}{h} , and substituting this gives V w = 1 3 π r 2 h 1 3 π ( 8 r h ) 2 8 V_w = \frac{1}{3}\pi r^2 h - \frac{1}{3}\pi (\frac{8r}{h})^2 8 .

The volume of the water in the upside down bottle is a cone (with a radius of r b r_b and a height of h 2 h - 2 ), so V w = 1 3 π r b 2 ( h 2 ) V_w = \frac{1}{3}\pi r_b^2 (h - 2) . Since this cone is similar to the conical bottle, r b r = h 2 h \frac{r_b}{r} = \frac{h - 2}{h} , and substituting this gives V w = 1 3 π ( ( h 2 ) r h ) 2 ( h 2 ) V_w = \frac{1}{3}\pi (\frac{(h - 2)r}{h})^2 (h - 2) .

Equating the two equations gives V w = 1 3 π r 2 h 1 3 π ( 8 r h ) 2 8 = 1 3 π ( ( h 2 ) r h ) 2 ( h 2 ) V_w = \frac{1}{3}\pi r^2 h - \frac{1}{3}\pi (\frac{8r}{h})^2 8 = \frac{1}{3}\pi (\frac{(h - 2)r}{h})^2 (h - 2) , which simplifies to h 3 512 = ( h 2 ) 3 h^3 - 512 = (h - 2)^3 , and solves to a positive solution of h = 1 + 85 10.2195 h = 1 + \sqrt{85} \approx \boxed{10.2195} .

This also shows that if we replaced "8 and 2" (from the problem statement) with any other pair of positive integers, the answer cannot be an integer, as it contradicts Fermat's Last Theorem .

Pi Han Goh - 2 years, 7 months ago

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where's the n > 2 n>2 ?

MegaMoh . - 9 months ago

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The equation h 3 512 = ( h 2 ) 3 h^3 - 512 = (h - 2)^3 (near the end) is equivalent to ( h 2 ) 3 + 8 3 = h 3 (h - 2)^3 + 8^3 = h^3 , so when comparing it to Fermat's Last Theorem, the exponent is n = 3 n = 3 , which is greater than 2 2 .

David Vreken - 9 months ago
Abraham Zhang
Nov 11, 2018

Since a cone's volume is proportional to its height cubed,
h 3 8 3 = ( h 2 ) 3 h = 1 + 85 10.2195 cm \begin{aligned} h^3-8^3&=(h-2)^3 \\ h&=1+\sqrt{85} \\ &\approx10.2195 \text{ cm} \end{aligned}

might be a stupid question but isn't (h-2)^3=h^3-6h^2+12h-8 ? h^3-8 should be (h-2)(h^2+2h+4)

Riccardo Rocca - 2 years, 6 months ago

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In my answer, my LHS is proportional to the 1 1 st shaded area (in the question), and my RHS is proportional to the 2 2 nd shaded area.

Abraham Zhang - 2 years, 6 months ago

brilliant!

Glenn Bergum - 2 years, 6 months ago
Vinod Kumar
Nov 14, 2018

Key is that radius is propotional to height from the top (vertex). Setup the equation

h^3 - 8^3 = (h-2)^3 and solve.

Answer is h = 1+√85=10.219

Raghu Alluri
Nov 18, 2018

Just take the volume of each cone and make them equal each other as they are the same cone. Then you get

h 3 8 3 = ( h 2 ) 3 h^3 - 8^3 = (h-2)^3

Solving for h h you will get approximately 10.22

Rab Gani
Nov 3, 2018

Let the volume of cone is v, and the volume of water w, and the height of the cone is h.Using similarity : (8/h)^3 = (v – w)/v, or (8/h)^3 = 1 – w/v, ....(1), for the left figure,and [(h – 2)/h]^3 = w/v .......(2), for right figure. Substitute eqs.(2) to eqs.(1), then we get, (8/h)^3 = 1 – [(h – 2)/h]^3, 8^3+(h-2)^3/h^3 = 1, h^2 – 3 h – 84 = 0, solving the quadratic equation, we get h=10.2195

Kyaw Soe Oo
Nov 12, 2018

1+sqrt(85)

Cristina Garcia
Nov 24, 2018

I just added 8+2 and other people come up with these complicated equations xD

The answer is not 10.

Steven Adler - 11 months, 2 weeks ago
محمد فكرى
Nov 17, 2018

Total cone volume=1/3 pi r^2(2+h)-----(1) Total cone volume=1/3 pi r^2(8+h1)-------(2) ratio=1 divide 1 &2 then h+2-h1-8=0 @ h=8 then h1=2 total height = 2+h=2+8=10 cm.

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