A geometry problem by Mohd. Hamza

Geometry Level 5

Suppose that A 1 , A 2 , , A n A_1,A_2,\dots,A_n are distinct points, no three of which lie on a line, in the Euclidean plane. The squares of the length of the line segment joining any 2 points is a rational number, then the value of i 1 a r e a ( A i A i + 1 A i + 2 ) a r e a ( A i A i + 1 A i + 3 ) \displaystyle \sum_{i \geq 1} \frac{\mathrm{area}(\triangle A_iA_{i+1}A_{i+2})}{\mathrm{area}(\triangle A_iA_{i+1}A_{i+3})} is always :

Integral Rational but not necessarily integral Can't be determined Real but not necessarily rational

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2 solutions

Mohd. Hamza
Mar 25, 2019

The proof is similar to this: A ( 1 , 0 ) ; B ( 1 , 0 ) ; C ( x c , y c ) ; D ( x d , y d ) A (-1,0); B(1,0); C(x_c,y_c); D(x_d,y_d) A C 2 B C 2 = ( x c + 1 ) 2 + y c 2 ( x c 1 ) 2 + y c 2 = 4 x c Q AC^2 - BC^2 = (x_c+1)^2 + y_c^2 - (x_c-1)^2 + y_c^2 = 4x_c \in \mathbb{Q} x c , x d Q \Rightarrow x_c,x_d \in \mathbb{Q} A C 2 + B C 2 = ( x c + 1 ) 2 + y c 2 + ( x c 1 ) 2 + y c 2 = 2 y c 2 Q AC^2+BC^2 = (x_c+1)^2 + y_c^2 +(x_c-1)^2 + y_c^2 = 2y_c^2 \in \mathbb{Q} y c 2 , y d 2 Q \Rightarrow y_c^2 , y_d^2 \in \mathbb{Q} C D 2 = ( x c x d ) 2 + ( y c y d ) 2 Q CD^2 = (x_c-x_d)^2 + (y_c-y_d)^2 \in \mathbb{Q} x c 2 + x d 2 2 x c x d + y c 2 + y d 2 2 y c y d Q \Rightarrow x_c^2+x_d^2-2x_cx_d + y_c^2+y_d^2-2y_cy_d \in \mathbb{Q} y c y d Q \Rightarrow y_cy_d \in \mathbb{Q} a r e a ( A C D ) a r e a ( A C E ) = y c y d = y c y d y d 2 Q \frac{\mathrm{area}(\triangle ACD)}{\mathrm{area}(\triangle ACE)} = |\frac{y_c}{y_d}| = |\frac{y_cy_d}{y_d^2}| \in \mathbb{Q} Proving each ratio as rational will result in their summation being rational.

QED

Casey Appleton
Mar 25, 2019

This isn’t an explanation, but I saw a very very similar problem that was 6A on a Putnam that asks to prove that the ratio of areas of two triangles under these same circumstances is rational. That problem drove me a bit crazy and I still haven’t figured it out, I should work on it though.

You may refer to the solution of a similar problem

Mohd. Hamza - 2 years, 2 months ago

Have you appeared for Putnam this year?

Mohd. Hamza - 2 years, 2 months ago

No, I’m a maths enthusiast in high school, and I wanted to kind of prove to myself that I was good at maths, so I scrolled down to 6A and tried, but it stumped me. I still have a grudge not to look at the answer but I still can’t seem to figure it out.

Casey Appleton - 2 years, 2 months ago

(just to let you know, I still haven’t looked at your solution because of the aforementioned grudge against giving up and looking at the answer)

Casey Appleton - 2 years, 2 months ago

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I appreciate your spirit.

I myself tried problem A1 and A6 of Putnam 2018.

Mohd. Hamza - 2 years, 2 months ago

I responded below, forgot to hit reply on your comment and ended up just commenting on my own

Casey Appleton - 2 years, 2 months ago

I just earlier today figured out A1 (I think)

Casey Appleton - 2 years, 2 months ago

It was the 1/a + 1/b = 3/2018 one right?

Casey Appleton - 2 years, 2 months ago

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