Hyperloop: Air can be unpleasant

The Hyperloop is a hypothetical new fast transport system between cities, which works by launching pods that carry people through a very low air pressure tunnel. The normal pressure in the tunnel is 99 Pa 99~\mbox{Pa} , which is very low compared to the usual atmospheric pressure of 101 , 325 Pa 101,325~\mbox{Pa} . Since the pressure is so low the Hyperloop tunnel must be well sealed to prevent outside air from rushing in. A sudden increase in air pressure in a section of the tunnel can be rather unpleasant for the passengers in the pod.

Consider for example a hole being created in the Hyperloop tunnel, which leads to a sudden increase in the local air pressure from 99 Pa 99~\mbox{Pa} to 101 , 325 Pa 101,325~\mbox{Pa} while maintaining constant temperature and volume. If the normal drag force on the Hyperloop is 320 N 320~\mbox{N} , how much acceleration in g 's would the passengers in the Hyperloop experience if the pod hit the region of high pressure?

Details and assumptions

  • The mass of the pod is approximately 15000 kg 15000~\mbox{kg} .
  • g = 9.8 m/s 2 g=9.8~\mbox{m/s}^2


The answer is 2.228.

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9 solutions

Oisín Faust
Aug 19, 2013

The drag force will be proportional to the density of the medium (air). This density is proportional to the number of air molecules in it, since volume is constant. The number of molecules in the pod, n n , is then proportional to the pressure since temperature and volume are constant. This can be seen by the formula P V = n R T PV=nRT . Therefore the drag force is proportional to the pressure, so we can write F 1 / P 1 = F 2 / P 2 F_1/P_1 = F_2/P_2 . Then 320 / 99 = F 2 / 101325 320/99 = F_2/101325 , so F 2 = m a = 327515.15 N F_2 = ma =327515.15 N . Therefore a = F 2 / m = 21.834 = 2.228 g a = F_2/m = 21.834 = 2.228g m / s 2 m/s^2 , or 2.228 2.228 g g 's.

Hi Oisìn!

I think you should take the difference between F 1 F_1 and F 2 F_2 rather than just F 2 F_2 , the solution is the same up to three significant figures, but is nicer (mathematically) to consider it.

Nice to see you here!!!

Ariel Lanza - 7 years, 9 months ago

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I also took the difference between F 1 F_1 and F 2 F_2 , getting that δ F = 327195.15... N \delta F = 327195.15... N , and then δ a = 2.225817... \delta a = 2.225817... .

The official Brilliant answer is 2.228, so is their answer wrong?

Matt McNabb - 7 years, 9 months ago

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Apparently yes, unless the Hyperloop immediately switches off its engine (but it was not specified by the problem). It does not really make a huge difference as the answer has to be correct up to three significant figures, but as a matter of facts when you are building such a thing a mistake like taking one component of a force instead of the net force could make the difference between life and death, right? Ok, I'm exaggerating, but actually my solution is the only one that gives the right answer :p

Ariel Lanza - 7 years, 9 months ago

Thanks Ariel, good point! I'm coming back to brilliant after 6 months of barely using it. This probably isn't the right place to ask, but do you know where you're going to college yet?

Oisín Faust - 7 years, 9 months ago

It is much easier to do this:

P = F A P = \frac{F}{A}

99 = 320 A 99 = \frac{320}{A}

A = 320 99 A = \frac{320}{99}

with the new pressure, 101, 325 Pa, the new force is

F = P A = 101 , 325 320 99 F = P\cdot A = 101, 325 \cdot \frac{320}{99}

F = m a a = F m = 101 , 325 320 99 15000 F = ma \Rightarrow a = \frac{F}{m} = \frac{101, 325 \cdot \frac{320}{99}}{15000}

a = 21.834 a = 21.834 m s 2 = 2.228 g ms^{-2}=2.228g m s 2 ms^{-2}

Saad Haider - 7 years, 9 months ago
Cole Coupland
Aug 20, 2013

First we must use the pressure formula to determine the amount of surface area the force is acting on under standard conditions in the Hyperloop.

P = F A P = \frac{F}{A}

A = F P = 320 N 99 P a 3.23 m 2 A = \frac{F}{P} = \frac{320N}{99Pa} \approx 3.23m^{2}

After the hole in the tunnel is created the only information that has been directly given to us is the pressure. We know that the surface area of the pod does not change after the hole is made in the tunnel and therefore it is constant. We can use the value obtained after solving the last equation to determine the force now acting on the Hyperloop pod.

P = F A P = \frac{F}{A}

F = P A = ( 101325 P a ) ( 3.23 m 2 ) 327515 N F = PA = (101325Pa)(3.23m^{2}) \approx 327515N

Now we can use Newton's second law of motion to determine the acceleration the passengers in the Hyperloop are experiencing. Remember the mass of the pod is provided in the details and assumptions.

F = m a F = ma

a = F m = 327515 N 15000 k g 21.8 m s 2 a = \frac{F}{m} = \frac{327515N}{15000kg} \approx 21.8ms^{-2}

Now we must convert this acceleration from m s 2 ms^{-2} to g g and state the answer to three significant figures.

a = 21.8 m s 2 9.8 m s 2 2.23 g a = \frac{21.8ms^{-2}}{9.8ms^{-2}} \approx 2.23g

Clifford Wilmot
Dec 19, 2013

Consider the drag equation: F D = 1 2 ρ v 2 C D A F_D\, =\, \tfrac12\, \rho\, v^2\, C_D\, A , note that a change in pressure would only affect ρ \rho . To see what happens to ρ \rho , we rearrange P v = n R T Pv=nRT to give n = P V R T n=\frac{PV}{RT} , V , T V, T and R R are all constant, so n P n\propto P ; noting also that n ρ n\propto\rho , we deduce that ρ P \rho\propto P .

The original drag force was 320 N 320~N , so the new drag force is 320 × 101325 99 320\times \frac{101325}{99} , subtracting the Hyperloop propulsion force we have 320 × 101325 99 320 = 327195 N 320\times \frac{101325}{99}-320=327195~N . a = F m = 327195 15000 = 21.8 m s 2 a=\frac{F}{m}=\frac{327195}{15000}=21.8~ms^{-2} . Dividing 21.8 21.8 by 9.8 9.8 gives us our answer of 2.23 g 2.23~g .

in the fifth line...why did you subtracted the hyperloop propulsion force?? i solved it without this subtraction and got it 2.227

Sherif Elmaghraby - 7 years, 5 months ago

A simple drag force equation can be built by using this: F = P A \;F=PA . Since the cross sectional area of tunnel is unchanged, we can apply: A 1 = A 2 F 1 P 1 = F 2 P 2 F 1 P 1 = m a 2 P 2 a 2 = P 2 P 1 F 1 m \begin{aligned} A_1&=A_2\\ \frac{F_1}{P_1} &= \frac{F_2}{P_2}\\ \frac{F_1}{P_1} &= \frac{ma_2}{P_2}\\ a_2&=\frac{P_2}{P_1}\cdot \frac{F_1}{m} \end{aligned} Hence, we obtain a g 2.228 \;\frac{a}{g}\approx \boxed{2.228} . # Q . E . D . # \text{\# }\mathbb{Q}.\mathbb{E}.\mathbb{D}.\text{\#}

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 4 months ago
Ariel Lanza
Aug 20, 2013

We know that the pressure of a gas is directly proportional to its density and the density of a gas is directly proportional to the drag force exerted on a body moving in the gas at a constant velocity. This means that the pressure of a gas is directly proportional to the drag force exerted on a body moving in the gas.

Therefore the Drag Force Before is given by the pressure before multiplied by a constant value k k : $$ 320=k \cdot 99 $$ $$ k=\frac{320}{99} $$

The Dag Force After is given by k k multiplied by the pressure after: $$ D_a=\frac{320}{99}101,325 $$

Knowing that Hyperloop is moving at a constant velocity (0 acceleration) gives us that the force that pushes it is equal in magnitude to the Drag Force Before.

After the change in pressure the Drag Force gets stronger and therefore the net force on the train is given by the difference between the force that pushes it and the Drag Force After: $$ F=320-\frac{320}{99}101,325 $$

The acceleration is given by force divided by mass: $$ a=\frac{320-\frac{320}{99}101,325}{15000} $$

The acceleration in g's is given by the acceleration in m s 2 ms^{-2} divided by g g :

a g = 320 320 99 101 , 325 15000 9.8 = 2.22581 g’s a_g=\frac{320-\frac{320}{99}101,325}{15000 \cdot 9.8}=-2.22581 \qquad \mbox{g's}

q.e.d.

Alex Benfield
Aug 19, 2013

We can first use the equation Area = Force/Pressure to calculate the area of the front of the train. The drag of 320N is being applied to the front of the train with a pressure of 99Pa.( 99Pa = 99N/m^2). Thus: 320/99 = 3.23m^2. Now we can find the force applied to the front of the train with a new pressure of 101,325N. We use the same formula but switched around to get: F = 3.23*101,325 = 327,280N. Now we can find the deceleration using the formula a = Force/mass (F=ma). Thus: a = 327,280/15000 = 2.228m/sec^2

Whoops, mistake. 327,280/15000=21.819m/sec^2 = 2.228g's

Alex Benfield - 7 years, 9 months ago
Shailesh Pincha
Aug 24, 2013

We know that P=F/A 99=320/A So, A=320/99=3.2323... So now, 101325=F/3.2323... F=327515.151514 mg'=327515.151514 g'=327515.151514/15000 =21.834343 ag=21.834343 {g'=ag ; a is a constant} a=21.834343/9.8 =2.228 approx

Adithyan Rk
Aug 21, 2013

* F = P r e s s u r e × A r e a Pressure\times Area *

Initially, F = 320N, therefore, * Area = F/Pressure = (320/99) = 3.23 m 2 m^{2} *

Pressure is changed by 101325-99 = 101226 pascals.

*Therefore, *

F = C h a n g e i n P r e s s u r e × A r e a Change in Pressure\times Area Acceleration = F/mass

Change in pressure = 101325-99 = 101226

Acceleration = ( 101226 × A r e a 101226\times Area = 101226 × 3.23 101226\times 3.23 )/150000 = 2.228 m/ m 2 m^{2}

Oops! Made a mistake in the last step!

Acceleration = 21.834 m/s^2 Therefore, in "g's", the acceleration will be 21.834/g= 21.834/9.8= 2.228

Adithyan RK - 7 years, 9 months ago

Since the area is the same: F i × P i F_i\times P_i = k

Then: F 2 = F 1 × P 2 P 1 F_2 = \frac{F_1\times P_2}{P_1}

You can say that F = M × g a p F=M\times g_{ap}

Then: g a p = F 1 × P 2 m × P 1 g_{ap} = \frac{F_1\times P_2}{m\times P_1}

Finally: g a p g = F 1 × P 2 m g × P 1 = 2.228 \frac{g_{ap}}{g} = \frac{F_1\times P_2}{mg\times P_1} = 2.228

Ops: Fi/Pi = k, hahah...

Dennys L. Agostini Rocha - 7 years, 9 months ago
Maharnab Mitra
Aug 18, 2013

Drag force is directly proportional to the pressure. Let the new drag force be F. Therefore, 320 F \frac{320}{F} = 99 101 , 325 \frac{99}{101,325} which yields F=327,515.15N. Now, acceleration= F m \frac{F}{m} = 327 , 515.15 15000 \frac{327,515.15}{15000} =21.83m/ s 2 s^{2} . Thus, acceleration in terms of g= 21.83 9.8 \frac{21.83}{9.8} =2.228 times of g.

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