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m 3 n 3 + m n ( m n ) = 31 5 9 m^3-n^3+mn(m-n)=315^9

Find the number of solutions ( m , n ) (m, n) to the equation above, where m m and n n are both positive rational numbers and their difference is an integer.


The answer is 944.

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Kazem Sepehrinia
Jun 29, 2017

Rewrite the equation as ( m n ) ( m + n ) 2 = 31 5 9 (m-n)(m+n)^2 = 315^9 Notice that m n = a m-n=a must be a positive integer. We get that ( m + n ) 2 = 31 5 9 a = 35 × ( 3 × 31 5 4 ) 2 a . (m+n)^2 = \frac{315^9}{a}=\frac{35 \times (3 \times 315^4)^2}{a}. Thus a = 35 b 2 a= 35b^2 for b N b \in \mathbb{N} . We deduce that m n = 35 b 2 m + n = 3 × 31 5 4 b m-n \; = \; 35b^2 \qquad \qquad m+n \; = \; \frac{3 \times 315^4}{b} Solve for m m and n n : m = 1 2 ( 3 × 31 5 4 b + 35 b 2 ) n = 1 2 ( 3 × 31 5 4 b 35 b 2 ) m \; = \; \frac12\left(\frac{3 \times 315^4}{b} + 35b^2\right) \qquad \qquad n \; = \; \frac12\left(\frac{3 \times 315^4}{b} - 35b^2\right) n n must be positive, it follows that ( 3 × 31 5 4 ) / b > 35 b 2 (3 \times 315^4)/b > 35b^2 , and 35 b 3 < 3 × 31 5 4 35b^3 < 3 \times 315^4 . Finally b 3 < 3 3 × 31 5 3 b < 3 × 315 = 945 1 b 944 b^3 < 3^3 \times 315^3 \ \ \ \ \Longrightarrow \ \ \ \ b<3\times 315=945 \ \ \ \ \Longrightarrow \ \ \ \ 1 \le b \le 944 Each positive integer b 944 b \le 944 corresponds to a solution pair for ( m , n ) (m, n) . Thus the answer is 944 \boxed{944} .


Comment:

Why ( m + n ) 2 = 31 5 9 a = 35 × ( 3 × 31 5 4 ) 2 a (m+n)^2 = \frac{315^9}{a}=\frac{35 \times (3 \times 315^4)^2}{a} implies that a = 35 b 2 a= 35b^2 for b N b \in \mathbb{N} ?

There are many ways to explain this. I prefer this one: We have 35 a = ( m + n 3 × 31 5 4 ) 2 = \frac{35}{a}= \left( \frac{m+n}{3 \times 315^4} \right)^2= square of a rational number. Thus we can write 35 a = c 2 b 2 \frac{35}{a}=\frac{c^2}{b^2} for positive integers b b and c c , where gcd ( b , c ) = 1 \gcd(b, c)=1 .

Now, we get 35 b 2 = a c 2 35b^2=ac^2 . It follows that c 2 35 b 2 c^2 \mid 35 b^2 and c 2 35 c^2 \mid 35 since b b and c c are co-prime. But 1 1 is the only perfect square dividing 35 35 . Thus, c = 1 c=1 and a = 35 b 2 a=35b^2 .

How can you let m-n=35b^2? It can be negative.if you are right then m-n is greater than 35 because you are assuming b is natural number. How all these

ARJUN KUMAR - 3 years, 10 months ago

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It cannot be negative. Because m n = 31 5 9 / ( m + n ) 2 m-n=315^9/(m+n)^2 is always positive. But why m n = 35 b 2 m-n=35b^2 is true? Look at my edit to the solution.

Kazem Sepehrinia - 3 years, 10 months ago
Sándor Daróczi
Jun 29, 2017

m 3 n 3 + m n ( m n ) = 31 5 9 m^3-n^3+mn(m-n) = 315^9

( m n ) ( m 2 + m n + n 2 ) + m n ( m n ) = 31 5 9 (m-n)(m^2+mn+n^2)+mn(m-n) = 315^9

( m n ) ( m 2 + 2 m n + n 2 ) = 31 5 9 (m-n)(m^2+2mn+n^2) = 315^9

( m n ) ( m + n ) 2 = 31 5 9 (m-n)(m+n)^2 = 315^9

Since 31 5 9 ( m + n ) 2 > 0 \frac{315^9}{(m+n)^2} > 0 , we have m n > 0 m-n>0 .

Let s = m n s=m-n where s is a positive integer. Plugging it into the equation:

s ( 2 n + s ) 2 = 31 5 9 = ( 3 2 ) 9 3 5 9 s(2n+s)^2 = 315^9 = (3^2)^9 \cdot 35^9

( 2 n + s 3 9 ) 2 = 3 5 9 s (\frac{2n+s}{3^9})^2 = \frac {35^9}{s}

It follows that 3 5 9 s \frac{35^9}{s} is a square of a rational, thus s s must be in the form 35 k 2 35k^2 for a positive integer k k . Hence our equation becomes

( 2 n + 35 k 2 3 9 ) 2 = 3 5 8 k 2 (\frac{2n+35k^2}{3^9})^2 = \frac{35^8}{k^2}

2 n + 35 k 2 3 9 = 3 5 4 k \frac{2n+35k^2}{3^9} = \frac{35^4}{k}

n = 3 9 3 5 4 35 k 3 2 k n = \frac{3^9 \cdot 35^4 - 35k^3}{2k}

m = n + s = 3 9 3 5 4 + 35 k 3 2 k m = n+s = \frac{3^9 \cdot 35^4 + 35k^3}{2k}

From n > 0 n>0 we obtain

3 9 3 5 4 35 k 3 2 k > 0 \frac{3^9 \cdot 35^4 - 35k^3}{2k} > 0

3 9 3 5 3 > k 3 3^9 \cdot 35^3 > k^3 \Rightarrow

1 k < 3 3 35 = 945 1 \leq k < 3^3 \cdot 35 = 945 .

For such values of k k both m m and n n will be positive rationals hence solutions of our equation. Since k k can have 944 possible values and for different k k 's there are different pair of solutions, our answer is 944.

Detailed and clear. Thanks :)

Kazem Sepehrinia - 3 years, 11 months ago

I didn't notice you wrote a solution too. It is basically the same idea, looks like we were thinking the same way :)

Sándor Daróczi - 3 years, 11 months ago
Will Fisher
Jul 14, 2017

Rewrite the equation as ( m n ) ( m + n ) 2 = 31 5 9 (m-n)(m+n)^2=315^9 We are told m n Z m-n\in\mathbb{Z} , but clearly m n > 0 m-n>0 so m n N m-n\in\mathbb{N} . There is then clearly a bijection between solutions to the original problem and the solutions to a ( a + 2 n ) 2 = 31 5 9 a(a+2n)^2=315^9 for a N a\in\mathbb{N} and n Q n\in\mathbb{Q} , by letting a = m n a=m-n . Since n n is determined by our choice of a a , the pair ( a , n ) (a,n) is a solution iff a N a\in\mathbb{N} and n = 1 2 ( 31 5 9 a a ) Q and n = 1 2 ( 31 5 9 a a ) > 0 n=\frac{1}{2}\left(\sqrt{\frac{315^9}{a}}-a\right)\in\mathbb{Q}\quad\text{and}\quad n=\frac{1}{2}\left(\sqrt{\frac{315^9}{a}}-a\right)>0 The second part coming from the constraint that n n be positive. The second part is equivalent to a < 31255875 a< 31255875 . We also have 1 2 ( 31 5 9 a a ) Q 31 5 9 a Q 5 7 a Q a = 5 7 b 2 \frac{1}{2}\left(\sqrt{\frac{315^9}{a}}-a\right)\in\mathbb{Q}\Leftrightarrow \sqrt{\frac{315^9}{a}}\in\mathbb{Q}\Leftrightarrow \sqrt{\frac{5\cdot 7}{a}}\in\mathbb{Q}\Leftrightarrow a=5\cdot 7\cdot b^2 for some b N b\in\mathbb{N} . Thus ( a , n ) (a,n) is a solution iff a < 31255875 a< 31255875 and a = 5 7 b 2 a=5\cdot 7\cdot b^2 for some b b , which gives us the freedom to choose any 1 b < 945 = 31255875 / ( 5 7 ) 1\le b< 945=\sqrt{31255875/(5\cdot 7)} .

Thanks. Solution is neat :)

Kazem Sepehrinia - 3 years, 11 months ago

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