I just reverse-engineered this

Calculus Level 5

d y d x = y 2 1 y 1 ln y \large \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{ y^{2 - \frac{1}{y}}}{ 1 - \ln \: y}

Given that the above differential equation has its solution passing through ( 1 , 1 ) (1, 1) . Find the corresponding value of x x when y = e 1 e y = e^{\frac{1}{e}} . Input your answer as 1000 x \lfloor 1000x \rfloor .

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The answer is 1290.

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4 solutions

Efren Medallo
Aug 10, 2016

Note: I hope someone would be able to give a more in-depth solution than mine, as I just reverse engineered a particular function I want to play along with and came up with this problem. :) (I actually started with the solution, then created the differential equation from it. It turns out the solving the equation requires the knowledge of the Lambert W Function, which is somehow a "just learned the surface of it" concept to me at the moment.)

So, I guess I'll just show how I arrived at the said differential equation from the original function, which, by the way, is the power tower function.

y = x x x x x . . . y = x^{x^{x^{x^{x^{...}}}}}

This function gives finite values of y y over the interval ( e e , e 1 e ] (e^{-e}, e^{\frac{1}{e}}] .

We can simplify this function to

y = x y y = x^y

taking logarithms of both sides,

l n y = y l n x ln \: y = y \: ln \: x

and by implicit differentiation,

y y = y x + ( l n x ) y \frac {y'}{y} = \frac{y}{x} + (ln \: x)y'

by separating y y' ,

y ( 1 y l n x ) = y x y' ( \frac{1}{y} - ln \: x ) = \frac {y}{x}

so we get

y = y 2 x [ 1 y l n x ] y' = \frac {y^2}{x[ 1 - y\: ln \: x ]}

but we know that y l n x = l n y y\:ln\:x = ln \: y , and x = y 1 y x = y^{\frac{1}{y}} , so the RHS becomes free of x.

That's how I just got

y = y 2 1 y 1 l n y y' = \frac {y^{2 - \frac{1}{y}}}{1 - ln \: y}

Okay so I have just verified that indeed, the power tower is a solution of this differential equation. What's the significance of ( 1 , 1 ) (1,1) then?

In the event a solution has been found by solving the differential equation, an arbitrary constant will appear. Substituting that point to the values of x x and y y will determine its value and thus determine the specific function are looking for.

So using the equation x = y 1 y x = y^{\frac{1}{y}} , we can now substitute y = e 1 e y = e^{\frac{1}{e}} .

x = ( e 1 e ) 1 e 1 e \large x = (e^{\frac{1}{e}})^{\frac{1}{e^{\frac{1}{e}}}}

x = ( e 1 e ) ( e 1 e ) \large x = (e^{\frac{1}{e}})^{(e^{-\frac{1}{e}})}

x = ( e 1 e e 1 e ) \large x = (e^{\frac{1}{e} \cdot e^{-\frac{1}{e}} } )

x = e e 1 e e \large x = e^{\frac{e^{-\frac{1}{e}}}{e}}

x = e e ( 1 e + 1 ) \large x = e^{ e^{ -( \frac{1}{e} +1)}}

x 1.29000 x \approx 1.29000

Chew-Seong Cheong
Aug 11, 2016

d y d x = y 2 1 y 1 ln y d x = 1 ln y y 2 1 y d y Integrate both sides x = 1 ln y y 2 1 y d y = y 1 y ( 1 ln y ) y 2 d y \begin{aligned} \frac {dy}{dx} & = \frac {y^{2-\frac 1y}}{1-\ln y} \\ dx & = \frac {1-\ln y}{y^{2-\frac 1y}} dy & \small \color{#3D99F6}{\text{Integrate both sides}} \\ x & = \int \frac {1-\ln y}{y^{2-\frac 1y}} dy \\ & = \int \color{#3D99F6}{\frac {y^\frac 1y (1-\ln y)}{y^2}} dy \end{aligned}

Note that

d d y y 1 y = d d y e 1 y ln y By chain rule = e 1 y ln y d d y ( ln y y ) = y 1 y ( ln y y 2 + 1 y 2 ) = y 1 y ( 1 ln y ) y 2 \begin{aligned} \frac d{dy} y^{\frac 1y} & = \frac d{dy} e^{\frac 1y \ln y} & \small \color{#3D99F6}{\text{By chain rule}} \\ & = e^{\frac 1y \ln y} \cdot \frac d{dy} \left(\frac {\ln y}y \right) \\ & = y^{\frac 1y} \left(- \frac {\ln y}{y^2} + \frac 1{y^2} \right) \\ & = \color{#3D99F6}{\frac {y^\frac 1y (1-\ln y)}{y^2}} \end{aligned}

Therefore, we have:

x = y 1 y ( 1 ln y ) y 2 d y = y 1 y + C C is the constant of integration. 1 = 1 + C It is given that when x = 1 , y = 1 C = 0 x = y 1 y = ( e 1 / e ) 1 e 1 / e = 1.290005369 \begin{aligned} \implies x & = \int \color{#3D99F6}{\frac {y^\frac 1y (1-\ln y)}{y^2}} dy \\ & = y^{\frac 1y} + \color{#3D99F6}{C} & \small \color{#3D99F6}{C \text{ is the constant of integration.}} \\ \implies \color{#3D99F6}{1} & = \color{#3D99F6}{1} + C & \small \color{#3D99F6}{\text{It is given that when }x=1, \ y =1} \\ \implies C & = 0 \\ \implies x & = y^{\frac 1y} = \left(e^{1/e}\right)^\frac 1{e^{1/e}} = 1.290005369 \end{aligned}

1000 x = 1290 \implies \lfloor 1000x \rfloor = \boxed{1290}

And here I was thinking how to make that into y = W ( l n ( x + c ) ) l n ( x + c ) y = - \frac{ W(-ln( x+c))}{ln(x+c)} . How ignorant of me hahaha

Efren Medallo - 4 years, 10 months ago
Kushal Bose
Aug 10, 2016

y 1 y 2 ( 1 l n y ) d y = d x y^{ \dfrac{1}{y} -2} (1- lny) dy=dx

y 1 y ( 1 l n y y 2 ) d y = d x y^ \dfrac{1}{y} (\dfrac{1-lny}{y^2}) dy=dx

y 1 y ( 1 l n y y 2 ) d y = d x \int y^ \dfrac{1}{y} (\dfrac{1-lny}{y^2}) dy= \int dx

y 1 y = x + c y^ \dfrac{1}{y}=x+c where c c is an integration constant

From x = 1 , y = 1 x=1,y=1 we found c = 0 c=0

So the function is x = y 1 y x=y^ \dfrac{1}{y}

Prakhar Bindal
Aug 11, 2016

We substiute (y)^(1/y = p and the thing on Right hand side is its derivative ie dp

Now it becomes a child's play to integrate

This was easy,I mean apart from finding approx value of x in the end, everything was hassle free.

Ayush Agarwal - 4 years, 10 months ago

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