Induction on degree of ice cream

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Let P P be an arbitrary property such that the following holds for all natural numbers k k .

If P P holds for all natural numbers smaller than k k , then P P holds for k k .

Is this enough information to conclude that P P holds for all natural numbers?


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Simon Kaib
Jul 26, 2019

Let P P be a property that satisfies the following condition which we will call S S :

For all natural numbers k k ; If P P holds for all natural numbers smaller than k k , then P P holds for k k .

Now, I claim that P P holds for all natural numbers. Assume the opposite, then there exists at least one natural number for which P P fails to hold. (Note that this number can not be 0 0 since every natural number less than 0 0 (namely none) has property P P 'vacuously' . Thus by S S (case k = 0 k=0 ) P P holds for 0 0 .) Now let n n be the least natural number that does not have property P P . By S S there exists a natural number smaller than n n which does not have property P P , which contradicts with the minimality of n n . Thus the assumption that P P does not hold for all natural numbers leads to a contradiction and we conclude that P P holds for all natural numbers.


Further remarks : To repeat an important point - the so called 'base case', which guarantees that 0 0 has property P P is vacuously established by S S (case k = 0 k=0 ) since every property (in particular P P ) holds for all natural numbers less than 0 0 (namely all elements of the empty set) vacuously . Thus a property which holds for no natural numbers can not satisfy S S .

Note : This principle is also known as complete (strong) induction .

For complete mathematical induction you need to have a base. What to do if P does not hold for natural numbers at all? Suppose that P is "you can write this number using only letter 'A' ".

N K - 1 year, 10 months ago

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If P P satisfies the property described, then 0 0 satisfies P P since the set of natural number less than 0 0 is empty and all elements of the empty set have property P P (namely none). Thus the property you described does not satisfy the condition.

Simon Kaib - 1 year, 10 months ago

Oh, so you get the base case for free. I see

Callum Cassidy-Nolan - 1 year, 10 months ago

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