Infinities are weird

Suppose axiom of choice is true. Let A A be an uncountable set and B B be a countable set. Which of these statements relate A |A| to A B |A \setminus B| ?

  • A. A < A B |A| < |A \setminus B| , always.
  • B. A = A B |A| = |A \setminus B| , always.
  • C. A > A B |A| > |A \setminus B| , always.
  • D. A A B |A| \le |A \setminus B| ; both smaller than and equality cases can occur.
  • E. A A B |A| \neq |A \setminus B| ; both smaller than and greater than cases can occur.
  • F. A A B |A| \ge |A \setminus B| ; both greater than and equality cases can occur.
  • G. None of the above choices
A E D B C G F

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1 solution

Ivan Koswara
Jun 16, 2015

The answer is B ; we always have A = A B |A| = |A \setminus B| .

First, the union of two countable sets is countable. There are many proofs on the internet , and hence I'll skip it. (The idea is to enumerate the elements of X , Y X, Y as x 1 , x 2 , x_1, x_2, \ldots and y 1 , y 2 , y_1, y_2, \ldots , and see x 1 , y 1 , x 2 , y 2 , x_1, y_1, x_2, y_2, \ldots .)

Next, with this, if A B A \setminus B is countable then A = B ( A B ) A = B \cup (A \setminus B) will also be countable (since it's the union of two countable sets), contradicting the hypothesis in the problem. Thus A B A \setminus B is uncountable. However, it is not enough to show that A , A B A, A \setminus B are both uncountable, since there are infinitely many uncountable cardinal numbers. Thus we must proceed further.

Since Axiom of Choice holds, we know that A B > B |A \setminus B| > |B| (since A B A \setminus B is uncountable while B B is countable, and Axiom of Choice implies that any countable cardinal is strictly smaller than any uncountable cardinal). By definition, there exists an injective function f f from B B to A B A \setminus B ; let the image be C C . By definition of image, f f is a bijection from B B to C C and is thus C C is a countable subset of A B A \setminus B .

Enumerate the elements of B = { b 1 , b 2 , } B = \{b_1, b_2, \ldots\} and C = { c 1 , c 2 , } C = \{c_1, c_2, \ldots\} . Since C A B C \subset A \setminus B , we know that B C = B \cap C = \emptyset ; elements of C C are taken from elements not in B B .

Now define another function g : A ( A B ) g : A \to (A \setminus B) :

g ( x ) = { x if x B , C c 2 i 1 if x = b i B c 2 i if x = c i C g(x) = \begin{cases} x & \text{if } x \notin B, C \\ c_{2i-1} & \text{if } x = b_i \in B \\ c_{2i} & \text{if } x = c_i \in C \end{cases}

It's easy to see that g g is a bijection. Any element not in either B B or C C is mapped identically (which is trivially a bijection), while g g provides a bijection from the countable set B C B \cup C to the countable set C C . The existence of a bijection proves that both sets have equal cardinality; that is, A = A B \boxed{|A| = |A \setminus B|} .

Moderator note:

How would the answer change, if the axiom of choice is not true?

It is worthwhile to stress that if A A and B B are uncountable sets, it is not necessarily true that A = B |A| = |B| . As pointed out, there are infinitely many uncountable cardinal numbers, and so we do not say that A = |A| = uncountable.

Challenge Master: I think we don't need the entire strength of axiom of choice, only axiom of countable choice. If the axiom of countable choice is not assumed, we cannot conclude that A B > B |A \setminus B| > |B| , since we cannot make the necessary injection from B B to A B A \setminus B ; similarly, we cannot take a countable subset C C from A B A \setminus B as well. We will have A A B |A| \ge |A \setminus B| (take the identity injection from A B A \setminus B to A A ), but I can't see how to show which of B, C, or F is true.

The stress already exists (although perhaps more like a remark):

However, it is not enough to show that A , A B A, A \setminus B are both uncountable, since there are infinitely many uncountable cardinal numbers. Thus we must proceed further.

Ivan Koswara - 5 years, 12 months ago

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