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An obtuse isosceles triangle has an incircle radius r = 1 r=1 and a circumradius R = 4 R=4 . Find the size of its largest side.

Note: Drawing is not to scale.


The answer is 7.115.

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S i n c e Since t h e the v e r t i c a l vertical a n g l e angle o f of D e l t a Delta is o b t u s e obtuse => T h e The c i r c u m c e n t e r circumcenter w i l l will l i e lie o n l y only o u t s i d e outside t h e the t r i a n g l e triangle .

what if the perpendicular lies to the right of O as in this?

Ajinkya Shivashankar - 4 years, 2 months ago

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Yes, you are right. I was motivated by the figure to take that point outside the figure, thought of doing that by placing it inside the triangle too but the first one got me right so didn't. I will update the solution to show both the possible lengths once the answer is updated.

Vishwash Kumar ΓΞΩ - 4 years, 2 months ago
Mark Hennings
Mar 25, 2017

If angles B B and C C are equal, then the fact that R = 4 R=4 gives us a = 8 sin A = 8 sin ( π 2 C ) = 8 sin 2 C a \; = \; 8\sin A \; = \; 8\sin(\pi-2C) \; = \; 8\sin2C while the fact that r = 1 r=1 gives us 2 a = tan 1 2 C \frac{2}{a} \; = \; \tan\tfrac12C and hence 1 = 4 tan 1 2 C sin 2 C 1 \; = \; 4\tan\tfrac12C \sin2C Putting x = tan 1 2 C x = \tan\tfrac12C , we deduce that ( 1 + x 2 ) 2 = 16 x 2 ( 1 x 2 ) 17 x 4 14 x 2 + 1 = 0 \begin{aligned} (1 + x^2)^2 & = \; 16x^2(1-x^2) \\ 17x^4 - 14x^2 + 1 & = 0 \end{aligned} and hence x = 7 ± 4 2 17 x \; = \; \sqrt{\frac{7 \pm 4\sqrt{2}}{17}} When x = 7 + 4 2 17 x = \sqrt{\frac{7 + 4\sqrt{2}}{17}} all the angles in the triangle are acute. When x = 7 4 2 17 x = \sqrt{\frac{7 - 4\sqrt{2}}{17}} the angle A A is obtuse, and the longest side is a = 7.11529 a = \boxed{7.11529} .

Marta Reece
Mar 22, 2017

In the figure, D D is a center of the incircle and O O center of the circumcircle of triangle A B C ABC with A B = B C AB=BC .

Let’s have γ = D A E = D A B \gamma=\angle DAE=\angle DAB . Angle A B O = 9 0 2 γ . ABO=90^\circ-2\gamma. Angle A O B = 2 × ( 9 0 A B O ) = 4 γ AOB=2\times(90^\circ-\angle ABO)=4\gamma .

From triangle A E O , A E = 4 × s i n ( 4 γ ) = 8 s i n ( 2 γ ) c o s ( 2 γ ) = 16 s i n ( γ ) c o s ( γ ) ( 1 2 s i n 2 ( γ ) ) . AEO, AE=4\times sin(4\gamma)=8 sin(2\gamma) cos(2\gamma)=16 sin(\gamma) cos(\gamma)(1-2 sin^2(\gamma)).

From triangle A E D , A E = 1 t a n ( γ ) AED, AE=\frac{1}{tan(\gamma)} .

Combining the two and simplifying: s i n 2 ( γ ) ( 1 2 s i n 2 ( γ ) ) = 1 16 sin^2(\gamma)(1-2 sin^2(\gamma))=\frac{1}{16}

Solving: s i n 2 ( γ ) = 2 2 8 sin^2(\gamma)=\frac{2-\sqrt{2}}{8}

γ = 15. 7 , 4 γ = 62. 8 \gamma=15.7^\circ, 4\gamma=62.8^\circ

A E = 4 × s i n ( 4 γ ) = 3.5576 AE=4\times sin(4\gamma)=3.5576 . So the longest side of triangle A B C ABC is double that or approximately 7.115 7.115 .

It is easy to show that sides A B = B C = 2 × 4 × s i n ( 2 γ ) = 4.17 AB=BC=2\times 4\times sin(2\gamma)=4.17 are smaller.

what if the perpendicular lies to the right of O as in this?

Ajinkya Shivashankar - 4 years, 2 months ago

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D i s t a n c e b e t w e e n t w o c e n t e r s = R ( R 2 r ) = 2 2 . d i s t a n c e b e t w e e n c i r c u m c e n t e r a n d m i d p o i n t o f t h e b a s e = 2 2 1 = h a l f t h e b a s e w h i c h i s a l s o t h e c h o r d o f c i r c u m c i r c l e . h a l f b a s e = 4 2 ( 2 2 1 ) 2 . F o r a n o b t u s e i s o s c e l e s t r i a n g l e t h e b a s e i s t h e l a r g e s t s i d e = 2 4 2 ( 2 2 1 ) 2 = 7.1153. Distance~between~two~centers~=\sqrt{R(R-2r)}=2\sqrt2.\\ \therefore~distance~between~ circumcenter ~and~midpoint~of~the~base~=2\sqrt2 - 1=half~the~base~which ~is~also~the~chord~of~circumcircle.\\ \therefore~half~base=\sqrt{4^2-(2\sqrt2 - 1)^2}.\\ For~an~obtuse~ isosceles~ triangle~the~base~is~the~largest~side=~2*\sqrt{4^2-(2\sqrt2 - 1)^2}=~\color{#D61F06}{7.1153}.

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