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Suppose you are standing on a very sensitive weighing scale. If you bend down, what happens to the measurement while you bend?

It is lower It stays the same It is higher

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Calvin Lin Staff
Nov 29, 2016

The weighing scale doesn't measure our weight ( = m g ) (=mg) , but instead just the normal reaction force between our body and the machine. Intuitively, as we bend down, the muscles in our body pulls up the lower half of the body, thus diminishing the pressure that it exerts on the scale.

We formalize this idea by considering the force diagrams. Take the downward direction as positive.
When we are standing, there is no acceleration and so 0 = m a = F = W stand N stand 0 = ma = F = W_{\text{stand}} - N_{\text{stand}} which gives W stand = N stand W_{\text{stand}} = N_{\text{stand}}

When we are bending down means that we are initially experiencing a downward acceleration. Thus, 0 < F = W bend N bend 0 < F = W_{\text{bend} } - N_{\text{bend} } . As such,

N bend < W bend = W stand = N stand N_{\text{bend}} < W_{\text{bend}} = W_{\text{stand}} = N_{\text{stand}}

So the measurement decreases.


Note: Technically, because bending lowers your center of mass, you will experience a very slightly lower acceleration due to gravity. However, in light of the Earth's radius compared to your bent height, this impact is very negligible. More accurately,

N bend < < W bend < W stand = N stand N_{\text{bend}} << W_{\text{bend}} < W_{\text{stand}} = N_{\text{stand}}

The question talks about the final position, when the person being weighed is in rest state after bending. Typical scales would fluctuate around initially during the bending process but after there is no downward deceleration the reading stabilizes and at that moment isn't the weight measured same as it would have been when only standing.

Siva Bathula - 4 years, 6 months ago

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O I was wrong didn't read the question correctly, nevermind.

Siva Bathula - 4 years, 6 months ago

Indeed. And one reason for the scale to be fluctuating (other than normal mechanical engineering) is that the normal force experienced also varies based on how you start, continue and finish bending. E.g if you "bounce upwards", then the scale could register more than normal.

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 6 months ago

@Calvin Lin - i THINK YOUR SOLUTION IS JUST A DUPLICATE OF THE OTHER SOLUTION

Anubhav Tyagi - 4 years, 6 months ago

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Please refrain from typing in all capital letters on the internet, as it means that you are shouting.

Pranshu's solution previously was arguing about "lower center of gravity leads to a smaller g value", which though true leads to a very negligible effect. I've updated my solution to reflect this.

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 6 months ago
Pranshu Gaba
Nov 27, 2016

A weighing scale does not measure our weight independent of our state of motion, in fact just measures the force our feet applies to it. When we are at rest, the normal force from the weighing scale perfectly balances our weight so that F net = m g N = 0 N = m g F_\textrm{net} = mg - N = 0 \implies N = mg .

As we bend down, our center of mass goes descends with overall acceleration a a . This can be due to several reasons. One way to think about this is for the lower half of our body, which has mass m lower m_\textrm{lower} , to remain at rest while the upper half of our body, which has mass m upper = m m lower m_\textrm{upper} = m - m_\textrm{lower} enters into free fall. An object in free fall does not need to be supported by the scale and thus the scale only needs to support the weight of our lower body so that N = m lower g N = m_\textrm{lower}g .

As m lower < m m_\textrm{lower} < m , by definition, we see that the normal reaction N N decreases as we bend down.

Hi, I am a Mechanical engineer and in my point of view of mechanics I would say a bending body makes a bending moment. That is the distributed load from hip to head creates a bending moment from the centre of gavity, mostly from abdomen to hip. So the reactive force acting upwards in the hip should should reduce the weight of the body acting downward in the same line of action on the weighing scale.

Praveen Vignesh - 4 years, 5 months ago

You should rephrase "what happens to the measurement while you bend" to something more clear like "what happens to the measurement as you transition from standing to a bent position" ... "while you bend" made me think of a stationary person who is bent over, in which case the reading would be the same, unless you include the very small change from making your center of mass closer to the earth's center of mass, in which case the reading would increase.

Greg Wallace - 4 years, 5 months ago

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Yes the problem need rephrasing

Iqbal Mohammad - 4 years, 5 months ago

Change center of mass goes descends to center of mass descends with an overall acceleration a

Vijay Simha - 4 years, 6 months ago

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Yes, there are 2 factors at work here. Which has a greater impact?

What is the percentage change in the force due to bending?

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 6 months ago

@Josh Silverman

Anubhav Tyagi - 4 years, 6 months ago

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Do you want to point me to anything in particular?

Josh Silverman Staff - 4 years, 6 months ago

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