Introductory Olympiad Algebra - Nested Square Roots Disappear

Algebra Level 4

Find the domain of all real numbers x x such that

x + 6 4 x + 2 + x + 11 6 x + 2 = 1. \sqrt{ x + 6 - 4 \sqrt{ x+2} } + \sqrt{ x+11 - 6 \sqrt{x+2}} = 1.

{ 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 } \{ 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 \} [ 2 , 7 ] [2, 7 ] { 2 , 7 } \{2, 7 \} ( 2 , 7 ) (2, 7)

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4 solutions

Calvin Lin Staff
May 7, 2014

In the first square root, the inner expression is equal to ( x + 2 2 ) 2 ( \sqrt{x+2} - 2)^2 , and hence, it is equal to x + 2 2 | \sqrt{x+2} - 2| .

In the second square root, the inner expression is equal to x + 2 3 ) 2 \sqrt{x+2} - 3) ^2 , hence it is equal x + 2 3 | \sqrt{x+2} - 3| .

We want to find the domain where x + 2 2 + x + 2 3 = 1. | \sqrt{ x+2} -2 | + |\sqrt{ x+2} - 3| = 1 .

The triangle inequality states that a + b a + b |a| +|b| \geq | a + b | , where equality holds if and only if a a and b b have the same sign. Applying this with a = x + 2 2 a = \sqrt{x+2}-2 and b = 3 x + 2 b = 3 - \sqrt{x+2} , we get that

x + 2 2 + x + 2 3 ( 3 x + 2 ) + ( x + 2 2 ) = 1. | \sqrt{ x+2} -2 | + |\sqrt{ x+2} - 3| \geq | (3 - \sqrt{x+2} ) + ( \sqrt{x+2} - 2) | = 1 .

Hence, for solutions, we must have equality hold throughout, which implies that a a and b b have the same sign. Since a + b = 1 > 0 a+b = 1 > 0 , they must both be positive. Thus, we have

a = x + 2 2 0 , b = 3 x + 2 0 a = \sqrt{x+2} - 2 \geq 0, b = 3 - \sqrt{x+2} \geq 0 \Rightarrow

2 x + 2 3 4 x + 2 9 2 x 7. 2 \leq \sqrt{ x+2} \leq 3 \Rightarrow 4 \leq x +2 \leq 9 \Rightarrow 2 \leq x \leq 7 .

nice solution :) !

Arijit Banerjee - 7 years, 1 month ago

Can you please explain the last line?

Arkadeep Sarkar - 7 years, 1 month ago

Could you explain why by triangle inequality

x + 2 2 + x + 2 3 3 x + 2 + x + 2 2 = 1 |\sqrt{x+2}-2| + |\sqrt{x+2}-3| \geq 3-\sqrt{x+2} + \sqrt{x+2} -2 =1 ? Thank you!

Fan Zhang - 7 years, 1 month ago

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@Fan Zhang @Arkadeep Sarkar I've added more details.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

What is the difference in the three brackets used, (a,b) would be that only a and b are the solutions. The square brackets would mean the matrix. and the curly brackets would mean the set on numbers included in the brackets. Please correct me if I am wrong. Also, please give other reasons if there are more.

Poonam Sharma - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Normal brackets means an open interval, i.e. ( 2 , 7 ) 2 < x < 7 (2, 7) \rightarrow 2 < x < 7 .
Square brackets means a closed inteveral, i.e. [ 2 , 7 ] 2 x 7 [2, 7] \rightarrow 2 \leq x \leq 7 .
Curly brackets means a set, i.e { 2 , 7 } x = 2 or 7 \{ 2, 7 \} \rightarrow x = 2 \text{ or } 7 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Thanks Calvin!

Poonam Sharma - 7 years, 1 month ago

But, isn't {2,3,4,5,6,7} is right then?

VAIBHAV borale - 6 years, 10 months ago

In the first part of the solution when you apply the triangle equality for the first time a = sqrt(x+2)-2. And in the second part when you determine that a is positive, a = 2-sqrt(x+2). I don't understand why you did that. Also, you say that since a+b = 1, a and b are positive, but one of them could be negative. Could you explain this? Thanks!

Jia En - 4 years, 8 months ago

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Note that I made choices on how to write a a . In particular, I chose to write it as a = x + 2 2 a = \sqrt{x+2} - 2 , and not it's negative counterpart.

If I had chosen to write it as a = 2 x + 2 a = 2 - \sqrt{ x+2 } , then the solution would have to be phrased differently. In particular, for that choice, it is no longer true that a + b = 1 a + b = 1 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 7 months ago

There's a problem with the second last line in your solution. a = 2 x + 2 0 a = 2 - \sqrt{x+2} \geq 0 should be a = x + 2 2 0 a = \sqrt{x+2} - 2 \geq 0 for a a to be positive! That's what your last line implies--right?

Akshay Krishna - 2 years, 5 months ago

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Thanks, fixed. I didn't notice that typo.

Calvin Lin Staff - 2 years, 5 months ago

nice drawing xD

Châu Nguyễn - 11 months ago

@Calvin Lin When does a problem become popular enough to be shared by you? Is there a minimum popularity level reqd.? If so, then how would problems posted by people having less followers , be shared shared by you?

Pankaj Joshi - 7 years ago
Daria Zafote
May 6, 2018

Let’s look at the equation x + 6 4 x + 2 + x + 11 6 x + 2 = 1 \sqrt{x+6-4\sqrt{x+2}}+\sqrt{x+11-6\sqrt{x+2}}=1

We can replace x 2 x-2 by u 2 u^2 so the equation becomes: u 2 + 4 4 u + u 2 + 9 6 u = 1 \sqrt{u^2+4-4u}+\sqrt{u^2+9-6u}=1

This is equal to: ( u 2 ) 2 + ( u 3 ) 2 = 1 \sqrt{(u-2)^2}+\sqrt{(u-3)^2}=1 or u 2 + u 3 = 1 |u-2|+|u-3|=1 .

When solving for 3 u 2 3\geq u \geq 2 we get: u 2 u + 3 = 1 1 = 1 u-2-u+3=1 \to 1=1 so every number in the set [ 2 , 3 ] [2,3] is a solution for u u .

We now have:

3 x + 2 2 3 \geq \sqrt{x+2} \geq 2 we square this ( x + 2 = u \sqrt{x+2}=u ) and substract 2:

9 2 x + 2 2 4 2 9-2 \geq x+2-2 \geq 4-2

7 x 2 x [ 2 , 7 ] 7 \geq x \geq 2 \to x \in [2,7]

Nitish Agarwal
May 7, 2014

Suppose x+2=b^2,

sol the equation be sqrt(b^2-4b+4)+sqrt(b^2-6b+9)=1

i.e |b-2|+|b-3|=1

i.e b=3 or b=2

Replacing b with sqrt(x+2), we get x=7 or x=2

i.e. [2,7]

Note that if b = 2 , 3 b = 2 , 3 , then all that you have shown are that x = 2 , 7 x = 2, 7 are solutions, i.e. your solution set is { 2 , 7 } \{2, 7 \} . You need to explain why any real number within the range 2 x 7 2 \leq x \leq 7 is a solution.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Nice observation calvin,

After solving the first equation 3 solution comes in picture,

Equation:- sqrt(b^2-4b+4)+sqrt(b^2-6b+9)=1

4 possibilities:- +(b-2)+(b-3)=1 -- Solving which we get x=7 ---- I -(b-2)-(b-3)=1 -- Solving which we get x=2 ---- II -(b-2)+(b-3)=1 -- Solving which we get, the equation in itself is an inequality. So this solution is not possible +(b-2)-(b-3)=1 -- Solving which we get,

b-2>0 and b-3<0 i.e. 2<b<3 replacing b with sqrt(x+2) we get, 2 < sqrt(x+2) < 3 i.e. 2 < x < 7 ---- III

From I, II and III, we can conclude that domain of x is [2,7].

Nitish Agarwal - 7 years, 1 month ago

what's the difference between (b) and (d)

Sai Aakarsh Sriramoju - 7 years, 1 month ago

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What do you mean by "d" sai ?

Nitish Agarwal - 7 years, 1 month ago
Shubhodeep Paul
May 19, 2014

because by keeping the 2and 7 the under rot comes to negative

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