Introductory Olympiad Algebra - Nested Square Roots

Algebra Level 2

Simplify

23 6 6 4 2 . \sqrt{ 23 - 6 \sqrt{ 6 - 4 \sqrt{2} } } .

4 2 4 - \sqrt{2} 5 2 5 - \sqrt{2} 2 + 2 2 + \sqrt{2} 3 + 2 3 + \sqrt{2}

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6 solutions

Calvin Lin Staff
May 7, 2014

We work from the inner square root. We guess that 6 4 2 6 - 4 \sqrt{2} is a perfect square of the form a + b c a + b \sqrt{c} . Since

6 4 2 = ( a + b c ) 2 = a 2 + b 2 c 2 a b c , 6 - 4 \sqrt{2} = ( a + b \sqrt{c} ) ^2 = a^2 + b^2 c - 2 ab \sqrt{c} ,

we see that 6 = a 2 + b 2 c , 4 = 2 a b , 2 = c 6 = a^2 + b^2 c, -4 = -2ab , 2=c . This gives us a = 2 , b = 1 , c = 2 a = 2, b = - 1, c = 2 . Hence 6 4 2 = ( 2 2 ) 2 6 - 4 \sqrt{2} = (2 - \sqrt{2})^2 . Since 2 2 > 0 2 - \sqrt{2} > 0 , thus 6 4 2 = ( 2 2 ) \sqrt{ 6 - 4 \sqrt{2}} = (2 - \sqrt{2} ) .

In a similar manner, we guess that the outer square root 23 6 ( 2 2 ) = 11 + 6 2 23 - 6( 2 - \sqrt{2} ) = 11 + 6 \sqrt{2} also has the form x + y z x + y \sqrt{z} . Since

11 + 6 2 = ( x + y z ) 2 = x 2 + y 2 z + 2 x y z , 11 + 6 \sqrt{2} = (x + y \sqrt{z} )^2 = x^2 + y^2z + 2xy \sqrt{z} ,

we see that 11 = x 2 + y 2 z , 6 = 2 x y , 2 = z 11 = x^2 + y^2 z , 6 = 2xy, 2 = z . Then, 23 6 6 4 2 = 23 6 ( 2 2 ) = 11 + 6 2 = ( 3 + 2 ) 2 23 - 6 \sqrt{ 6 - 4 \sqrt{2}} = 23 - 6 ( 2 - \sqrt{2}) = 11 + 6 \sqrt{2} = (3 + \sqrt{2})^2 Hence, the expression is equal to 3 + 2 3 + \sqrt{2} . This gives us x = 3 , y = 1 , z = 2 x = 3, y = 1, z = 2 , hence 11 + 6 2 = ( 3 + 2 ) 2 11 + 6 \sqrt{2} = ( 3 + \sqrt{2} ) ^2 . Since 3 + 2 > 0 3 + \sqrt{2} > 0 , hence the answer is 3 + 2 3 + \sqrt{2} .

i solved it with imagined it in mind

Yudi Prabudi - 7 years, 1 month ago

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seriously ? congratz ^_^

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Even I solved it in my mind

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 7 months ago

aha..nice solution

Max B - 7 years, 1 month ago

6-4*sqrt(2) can never be equal to (2-sqrt(2))^2

Monil Suthar - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Its not 6-4*sqrt(2) is square of 2-sqrt(2)

Dinesh Sin - 7 years, 1 month ago

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pardon my ignorance...

Monil Suthar - 7 years, 1 month ago

It is equal to it, don't you know maths ?

Kushagra Sahni - 7 years, 1 month ago

Wow! well-layered out solution

Sandile Sithole - 7 years, 1 month ago

I was correct.....Yahoooo!!!!

Ahmad Naqvi - 7 years, 1 month ago

I would like to know the practical application of square roots and cube roots. Why are we taught this at the school level? How can we perform an activity on square roots and cube roots so as to easily understand it?

Poonam Sharma - 7 years, 1 month ago

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simpler problem with one square root to empower future mathematicians..... and check understanding of square roots and exponents in general.

Yuliya Skripchenko - 7 years, 1 month ago

depends on each person, because if you are studying for the exact area at the college roots will follow you

Felipe Prette - 7 years, 1 month ago

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I would like to know the practical applications at school level.

Poonam Sharma - 7 years, 1 month ago

Did the same way.

Niranjan Khanderia - 7 years, 1 month ago

I would let K equal to the equation, keeping in mind that it is going to be a+(b)^(1/n), then rewrite evertying with prime factorization simplify and solve for K.

Yuliya Skripchenko - 7 years, 1 month ago

3+\sqrt{3}

Utkarsh Anand - 7 years ago

magnificent simplification

Cleres Cupertino - 5 years, 10 months ago

wow. that was a nice trick! thanks for the solution

chandan purohit - 7 years, 1 month ago

i simply calculated it.

Meera Yadav - 7 years, 1 month ago
Kaushik Chail
Oct 11, 2014

Working from the inner root... Sq.root(6-2.root2)=sq.root[(2)^2+(root2)^2-2.2.root2]=sq.root(2-root2)^2=(2-root2)..next we have sq.root(11+3root2) which in similer way turns out to be 3+root(2)

Olympiad problems are much more difficult

Mark Sinsheimer
Nov 22, 2014

Innermost sqr is smaller than one

Entire inner expression is 20ish

Solution is (most probably) 4 something

Dhruv G
May 12, 2014

first make 6-4X2^1/2 in the form of a^2 +b^2-2ab which makes it (2-2^1/2)^2. Under the square root, it becomes 2-2^1/2. Using the same principle, the rest of the sum can be solved.

Excellent.

Maheshkumar Mane - 7 years ago
Diksha Mishra
May 9, 2014

6-4((2)^(1/2)) =(2-(2)^(1/2))^2 and then the relation becomes=(11+6 2^(1/2))= 9+2+(6 2(1/2)) so solution is 3+2^(1/2)

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