Is this even possible?

Algebra Level 5

For fixed integers n , k n,k , there exists a sequence of n n terms x 1 , x 2 , x 3 , , x n x_1,x_2,x_3,\ldots,x_n , such that the sum of any k k distinct terms is equal to the sum of the all the other term minus the serial number of each the k k terms. After some calculations, it is found out that each term is in an arithmetic sequence, they have a common difference which is denoted by d ( n , k ) d(n,k) . Compute d ( 2016 , 2015 ) + d ( 2015 , 1729 ) . d(2016,2015)+d(2015,1729).

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As a explicit example if n = 4 , k = 2 n=4,k=2 . then

x_\boxed{1}+x_\boxed{2}=x_3+x_4-\boxed{1}-\boxed{2}

Extra credit : Solve for general term and also when the terms doesn't start at n 1 n_1 but at n a n_a for positive integer a a .


Inspiration 1 , inspiration 2 .


The answer is -1.

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2 solutions

Ben Handley
Dec 20, 2015

As long as 0 < k < n 0<k<n , d ( n , k ) = 1 / 2 d(n,k)=-1/2 : Let N = 1 , 2 , . . . , n N = {1, 2, ..., n} . For any i < n i < n , choose a subset S S of N N of size k 1 k-1 , not including either i i or i + 1 i+1 , and let T T be the elements of N N not in either S S nor in i , i + 1 {i,i+1} (I couldn't figure out the markup for union etc).

Then we have (after moving the "serial numbers" to the left): x i + i + j S ( x j + j ) = x i + 1 + j T x j x_i + i + \sum_{j \in S} (x_j+j) = x_{i+1} + \sum_{j \in T} x_j x i + 1 + i + 1 + j S ( x j + j ) = x i + j T x j x_{i+1} + i+1 + \sum_{j \in S} (x_j+j) = x_{i} + \sum_{j \in T} x_j

Differencing: 2 ( x i x i + 1 ) 1 = 0 2 (x_i - x_{i+1}) -1 = 0 ie d ( n , k ) = 1 / 2 d(n,k) = -1/2 .

In fact, given that the sequence is allowed to select a single x i x_i twice, the above argument works even for k = n k=n .

thanks for giving a nice solution (+1). have you attempted the extra credit?

Aareyan Manzoor - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Maybe I haven't understood your extra credit question -- I thought my solution covers the general case.

ben handley - 5 years, 5 months ago

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we found common difference, not the x n x_n , and what if the sequence was like n a , n a + 1 , . . . , n k n_a,n_{a+1},...,n_{k} . this will just require a bit more manipulation as you have done the main thing already.

Aareyan Manzoor - 5 years, 5 months ago

I've edited your problem for clarity. Do you see how the changes have made the problem statement easier to understand?

Changes:

  • n , k n, k are fixed, otherwise d ( n , k ) d(n,k) doesn't make much sense.
  • requiring distinct terms
  • Defining d ( n , k ) d(n,k) explicitly.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 3 months ago

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Yes, the statements are much better now, thanks.

Aareyan Manzoor - 5 years, 3 months ago
Aditya Dhawan
Feb 16, 2016

According\quad to\quad the\quad question\quad for\quad some\quad k\quad distinct\quad terms\quad { a }_{ q }\quad ,\quad { a }_{ q+1 }....{ a }_{ q+(k-1) }\\ 2\sum _{ i=q }^{ q+(k-1) }{ { a }_{ i } } =\quad \sum _{ i=1 }^{ n }{ { a }_{ i } } -\left( kq\quad +\quad \frac { k(k-1) }{ 2 } \right) \quad \left[ 1 \right] \\ Similarly\quad for\quad k\quad distinct\quad terms\quad { a }_{ q+1 },{ a }_{ q+2 }.......{ a }_{ q+k }\\ 2\sum _{ i=q+1 }^{ q+k }{ { a }_{ i } } =\quad \sum _{ i=1 }^{ n }{ { a }_{ i } } -\left( kq+\frac { k(k+1) }{ 2 } \right) \quad \left[ 2 \right] \\ \\ \left[ 1 \right] -\left[ 2 \right] \Rightarrow \\ 2({ a }_{ q }-{ a }_{ q+k })=k\quad \left[ 3 \right] \\ But\quad { a }_{ 1 },\quad { a }_{ 2 }.....{ a }_{ n }\quad is\quad an\quad A.P\\ Thus\quad { a }_{ q+k }={ a }_{ q }+kd\quad \left[ 4 \right] \\ Subsituting\quad this\quad value\quad in\quad \left[ 3 \right] :\\ -2kd=k\\ \Rightarrow \boxed { d=\frac { -1 }{ 2 } \quad \forall \quad (n,\quad k) } ,\quad where\quad 2\le k<n\\ Thus\quad in\quad general\quad d(n,k)=\frac { -1 }{ 2 } \\ Thus\quad required\quad answer=\quad 2\times \frac { -1 }{ 2 } =\quad \boxed { -1 }

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Your solution seems to be assuming that k = 2 k = 2 .

Your solution seems to be assuming that k = 2 k = 2 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 3 months ago

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Thank you for your response sir. I have tried to show it k \forall\ k now.

Aditya Dhawan - 5 years, 3 months ago

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This looks much better.

Note that you should also explain when / why such a sequence exists. You have only shown that "conditional on such a sequence existing, the different must be -0.5". It could be possible that such a sequence does not exist.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 3 months ago

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