An algebra problem by A Former Brilliant Member

Algebra Level 2

If a , b , c a, b, c be all odd, then the equation a x 2 + b x + c = 0 ax^2+bx+c=0 can not have rational roots.

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3 solutions

Chris Lewis
May 2, 2019

For the roots to be rational, the discriminant b 2 4 a c b^2-4ac would have to be a square number. But all odd squares are congruent to 1 1 modulo 8 8 , and 4 a c ≢ 0 ( m o d 8 ) 4ac \not\equiv 0 \pmod8 , so this is not possible.

Superb. Elegant solution.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 years, 1 month ago
Abhishek Sinha
May 2, 2019

Assuming the contrary, the discriminant b 2 4 a c b^2-4ac must be a perfect square. Also, the discriminant is odd, as b b is odd. Hence, writing b = 2 k + 1 b=2k+1 for some integral k k , we must have for some integral n n : ( 2 k + 1 ) 2 4 a c = ( 2 n + 1 ) 2 . (2k+1)^2-4ac=(2n+1)^2. Simplifying, we have a c = k ( k + 1 ) n ( n + 1 ) . ac= k(k+1)-n(n+1). Note that the LHS of the above equation is odd (since both a a and c c are odd), but both the terms on the RHS are even (since the product of two consecutive integers is even). Thus, we arrive at an impossibility. QED

Correct. Nice solution.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 years, 1 month ago
Dan Czinege
May 12, 2019

Let´s do this by a contradiction, so let the rational root be of the form p / q p/q were p and q are coprime whole numbers. Now if we plug p / q p/q into our original equation we will get:
a ( p / q ) 2 + b ( p / q ) + c = 0 a(p/q)^2+b(p/q)+c=0 ; now if we multiply by q 2 q^2 we will get:
a p 2 + b p q + c q 2 = 0 ap^2+bpq+cq^2=0
p ( a p + b q ) = c q 2 p(ap+bq)=-cq^2
Now we must check 3 cases:
1) p and q are both odd - right hand side of the equation will be even and the left will be odd - contradiction.
2) p is odd and q is even - right hand side of the equation will be odd and the left will be even - contradiction.
3) p is even and q is odd - right hand side of the equation will be even and the left will be odd - contradiction.
We don´t have to check the case when p and q are both even, because in this case they will not be coprime.



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