Diminishing Coefficients

Algebra Level 4

x 4 ( a + b + c + d ) x 3 ( a + b + c ) x 2 ( a + b ) x a = 0 \large x^4 - (a+b+c+d)x^3 - (a+b+c)x^2 - (a+b)x - a=0

Let a , b , c a,b,c and d d be positive integers. Find the number of integral roots to the equation above.


The answer is 0.

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c y c l i c p = a + b + c + d , c y c l i c p q = ( a + b + c ) , c y c l i c p q r = ( a + b ) , p q r s = a \large \sum_{cyclic}^{} p = a+b+c+d , \sum_{cyclic}^{}pq = -(a+b+c) , \sum_{cyclic}^{}pqr = (a+b) , pqrs = -a

Where p , q , r , s p,q,r,s denote the roots of the given expression.

We have p q r s = a pqrs=-a , So we may conclude that either 1 or 3 of the roots are negetive out of p,q,r,s 0 \ne0 .

Now ,

c y c l i c p + c y c l i c p q + c y c l i c p q r + p q r s + 1 = ( a + b + c + d ) ( a + b + c ) + ( a + b ) a + 1 \sum_{cyclic}^{}p + \sum_{cyclic}^{}pq + \sum_{cyclic}^{}pqr + pqrs + 1 = (a+b+c+d) - (a+b+c) + (a+b) - a +1

( p + 1 ) ( q + 1 ) ( r + 1 ) ( s + 1 ) = b + d + 1 (p+1)(q+1)(r+1)(s+1) = b+d+1 .................................... (1)

We have RHS which is a positive integer, so LHS must be. Also RHS > 0 , So L H S 0 LHS\ne0 & > 0 . p , q , r , s 1 p,q,r,s\ne-1

We must have any one or three of p,q,r,s <-1.

In either case any one or three of (p+1),(q+1),(r+1),(s+1) is negetive as any one or three of p,q,r,s< -1 .

But in that case we can't have the RHS positive as in eqn (1) .

Contradiction, Thus it must not have integral roots.

Moderator note:

It would make it easier to read if you organized your solution and pointed out to the reader what you are hoping to achieve.

You probably need to extend your argument slightly to clarify that it copes with the possibility that two out of four roots are complex - if p p and q q are a complex conjugate pair of roots, then there is only 1 1 negative real root, and ( p + 1 ) ( q + 1 ) = p + 1 2 (p+1)(q+1) = |p+1|^2 is positive, so all is well.

Mark Hennings - 5 years, 2 months ago

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Oh sure! Thanks! I missed that.

Aditya Narayan Sharma - 5 years, 2 months ago
Aakash Khandelwal
Mar 19, 2016

We see a, b ,c and d as are roots (by vieta's) . Now we see that bcd=-1.Then we have ( b , c , d ) (b,c,d) as ( 1 , 1 , 1 ) , ( 1 , 1 , 1 ) , ( 1 , 1 , 1 ) , ( 1 , 1 , 1 ) (1,1,-1),(-1,1,1),(1,-1,1),(-1,-1,-1) . Thus we find a . But none satisfies.

Can you explain the first line in more detail?

I disagree that "a, b, c, d are roots of the polynomial, which is my interpretation of the sentence.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 2 months ago

@Aditya Sharma Ooops, that makes a lot more sense now. We generally keep solution discussions relevant to the particular solution of the comment stream.

I have cleaned up the comments.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 2 months ago

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