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( 5 ) 2 = 25 \left(\color{#20A900}{\square}5\right)^2 = \color{#3D99F6}{\square}25

Each square above represents a positive integer. Let m m and n n denote the values that fill in the green and blue squares, respectively, satisfying the equation. Then what is the relationship between m m and n ? n?

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  • This is an arithmetic puzzle, where 1 1 \square would represent the 2-digit number 19 if = 9 \square = 9 . It does not represent the algebraic expression 1 × 1 \times \square .
n = m ( m + 2 ) n = m(m+2) n = m ( m + 1 ) n=m(m+1) n = m ( m + 3 ) n= m(m+3) None of these choices

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We can write the equation as

( 10 m + 5 ) 2 = 100 n + 25 100 m 2 + 100 m + 25 = 100 n + 25 (10m + 5)^{2} = 100n + 25 \Longrightarrow 100m^{2} + 100m + 25 = 100n + 25

100 m 2 + 100 m = 100 n m 2 + m = n n = m ( m + 1 ) . \Longrightarrow 100m^{2} + 100m = 100n \Longrightarrow m^{2} + m = n \Longrightarrow \boxed{n = m(m + 1)}.

If m is 0, n is also 0 (05^2=25) so this equation is not valid.

Andrey Macedo - 5 years, 6 months ago

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It is given that each box represents a positive integer, so m = 0 m = 0 is not an option. That said, if m = 0 m = 0 then this yields that n = 0 ( 0 + 1 ) = 0 , n = 0*(0 + 1) = 0, and ( m , n ) = ( 0 , 0 ) (m,n) = (0,0) does satisfy the given question as ( 05 ) 2 = 025. (05)^{2} = 025. So I believe that the equation n = m ( m + 1 ) n = m(m + 1) is indeed valid for m = 0 m = 0 as well, even though we weren't actually asked to consider it. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 5 years, 6 months ago

May I ask how you arrived at the idea to express the equation like this? I don't quite understand why/how you chose 10m and 100n. Is it because the left hand side equation has to be a two digit number and the right hand a three digit?

Keith Defromer - 5 years, 10 months ago

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This actually works for any number of digits. If for example the LHS was 21 5 2 215^{2} then we would have m = 21 , m = 21, for which 10 m + 5 = 215 10m + 5 = 215 as required. Similarly for the RHS, whatever positive integer n n is, since it is in the hundreds position we can write n 25 \overline {n25} as 100 n + 25. 100n + 25.

Brian Charlesworth - 5 years, 10 months ago

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To explain it more intuitively. Multiplying the number m by 10 means we are working with the set of numbers known as the "ten's". Since 5 is a unit, adding any number of tens will not change its value.

So 10 + 5 is the same as putting a 1 in front of the 5. 10m + 5, is putting ANY number in front of the 5.

David Turner - 3 years, 2 months ago

m=n=0 defeats all options for m, n relations. but then yeah 0* anything = 0 solves it.

Anantha Keshava B S - 3 years, 9 months ago

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itsnot 0x the number its 05^2 eg 5^2 = 025 i.e 25

David Turner - 3 years, 2 months ago

how do U know that the number is multiplied or added inside the box....? please say me

Brijo Skylite - 5 years, 6 months ago
Sandeep Anoop
Aug 14, 2015

25²=625 M=2,N=6 Use values in equation You get your solution

Moderator note:

Yes this appears to be true for one pair of ( m , n ) (m,n) . However, you need to show that it's true for all pairs of ( m , n ) (m,n) .

Please review Brian's solution for a proper approach.

As the numbers represent only 1 digits, there are only 2 possibilities: 15 - 225 and 25 - 625, it is not really nice, but checking the 4 options is faster this case :)

Márton Vilmányi - 2 years, 9 months ago

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There are 2 ways

Ranjan Mundra - 2 years, 5 months ago

25^(2) = 625. Hence, m=2, n=6. Only option 4 works : n = m(m+1).

Yes. This works for m = 2 , n = 6 m=2,n=6 . But is it true for all sets of ( m , n ) (m,n) ? ;)

Chung Kevin - 5 years, 6 months ago

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Yup, it does. (10m+5)^2 = 100m^2+100m+25=100n+25 Hence, n=m+m^2 or n=m(m+1) Sorry for replying so late. I didn't notice the notification

Omkar Ramachandran - 5 years, 6 months ago

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Exactly! Nicely done!

Chung Kevin - 5 years, 6 months ago

How does this explain m=2 and n=4? (2 5)^2 = 4 25

Chris Rowley - 4 years, 8 months ago

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25^2 is 625 ,XD

genis dude - 3 years, 10 months ago

I must be missing something, here. Vitor, "1"5^2=10, "2"25 = 50. So how does "1"5^2 = "2"25?

Chris Rowley - 4 years, 8 months ago

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Note that this is an arithmetic puzzle, and I explained what 5 \square 5 means.

1 5 2 = 225 15^2 = 225 . So when m = 1 , n = 2 m = 1 , n = 2 .
2 5 2 = 625 25 ^ 2 = 625 . So when m = 2 , n = 6 m = 2, n = 6 .

Ultimately, the pattern is n = m ( m + 1 ) n = m (m+1) .

Chung Kevin - 4 years, 8 months ago
Ralph Tetenburg
Jan 5, 2017

Put 1 into the first one so you get 15^2 which is 225, therefore if m is 1 n is 2. Looking at the answers it has to be n=m(m+1)

That's one way to reach the answer. Can you prove that the answer is correct?

Chung Kevin - 4 years, 5 months ago
David Giarratana
Aug 20, 2018

Excuse me, but if Z \square\in\mathbb{Z} , and \square represents an order of magnitude of the decimal, positional number system, then why isn't ( 05 ) 2 = 025 (05)^2 = 025 an acceptable solution? I'm not salty, I got the right answer, but you never said that m , n 0 m,n \neq 0 .

It is asking for the general relationship, and not just a specific instance.

So, just showing that when m = 0 n = 0 m=0 \Rightarrow n= 0 doesn't mean that all 3 of the options are correct.

Chung Kevin - 2 years, 9 months ago
Gia Hoàng Phạm
Aug 16, 2018

In ( m 5 ) 2 = n 25 (\overline{m5})^2=\overline{n25} we have ( 10 m + 5 ) 2 = 100 n + 25 100 m 2 + 100 m + 25 = 100 n + 25 100 m 2 + 100 m = 100 n m 2 + m = n n = m ( m + 1 ) (10m+5)^2=100n+25 \implies 100m^2+100m+25=100n+25 \implies 100m^2+100m=100n \implies m^2+m=n \implies \boxed{\large{n=m(m+1)}}

David Hobday
Apr 8, 2018

If n and m are both zero then 05^2 = 025 which looks right to me. That satisfies all three equations given. 0=0.

Dear David,I guess „positive integer“ does mean without 0

kerstin olschewski - 2 years, 11 months ago
Vitor Hugo Cella
Dec 11, 2015

If I put 1 in the first square the answer will be:

"1"5² = "2"25

All the answer are: n= m ( m + x) (x could be 1, 2, 3 or other number).

So if m = 1 and n = 2

I will have:

2 = 1 ( 1 + x)

2 = 1 + x

x = 2 - 1

x = 1

So the answers will be:

n = m ( m + 1)

Rebekah Norman
Dec 8, 2015

I used the equation 15^2 =225.

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