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Geometry Level 4

In Δ A B C \Delta ABC of area equal to 1024 1024 square units, points X X , Z Z , and Y Y divide the line segments B C \large \overline {BC} , C A \large \overline {CA} , and A B \large \overline {AB} in the ratio 3 : 4 \large 3:4 , 5 : 6 \large 5:6 , and 1 : 2 \large 1:2 . The ratio of areas of Δ X Y Z \Delta XYZ and Δ A B C \Delta ABC can be expressed as m n \Large \frac{m}{n} , where m m and n n are coprime positive integers.Determine the value of m + n m+n .

Details - When I say X X divides B C \large \overline {BC} in the ratio 3 : 4 \large 3:4 , I mean that B X X C = 3 4 \large \frac{BX}{XC}= \frac{3}{4} .


The answer is 14.

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Aditya Raut
Jul 20, 2014

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As you see in this diagram, if in any P Q R \triangle PQR , if points E E and F F are on sides P Q PQ and P R PR respectively, then the ratio of areas

A ( P E F ) A ( P Q R ) = P E × P F P Q × P R \dfrac{A(\triangle PEF)}{A( \triangle PQR)} = \dfrac{PE\times PF}{PQ\times PR} .... you can easily prove this using similarity of triangles.

Thus , in our actual question, which is as follows,

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A ( A Y Z ) A ( A B C ) = A Y A C × A Z A B = 6 11 × 1 3 = 2 11 \dfrac{A(\triangle AYZ)}{A(\triangle ABC)} = \dfrac{AY}{AC}\times \dfrac{AZ}{AB} = \dfrac{6}{11}\times \dfrac{1}{3} = \dfrac{2}{11}

A ( B X Z ) A ( A B C ) = B Z B A × B X B C = 2 3 × 3 7 = 2 7 \dfrac{A(\triangle BXZ)}{A(\triangle ABC)} = \dfrac{BZ}{BA} \times \dfrac{BX}{BC} = \dfrac{2}{3}\times \dfrac{3}{7} = \dfrac{2}{7}

A ( C X Y ) A ( A B C ) = C Y C A × C X B C = 5 11 × 4 7 = 20 77 \dfrac{A(\triangle CXY)}{A(\triangle ABC)} = \dfrac{CY}{CA} \times \dfrac{CX}{BC} = \dfrac{5}{11}\times \dfrac{4}{7} = \dfrac{20}{77}

Thus we have

A ( A Y Z ) + A ( B X Z ) + A ( C X Y ) A B C = 2 11 + 2 7 + 20 77 = 14 + 22 + 20 77 = 56 77 = 8 11 \dfrac{A(\triangle AYZ) + A(\triangle BXZ) +A(\triangle CXY)}{\triangle ABC }= \dfrac{2}{11}+\dfrac{2}{7}+ \dfrac{20}{77} = \dfrac{14+22+20}{77} = \dfrac{56}{77} = \dfrac{8}{11}

Subtracting from the ratio A ( A B C ) A ( A B C ) = 1 \dfrac{A(\triangle ABC)}{A(\triangle ABC)} = 1 , we get the answer,

A ( X Y Z ) A ( A B C ) = 3 11 \dfrac{A(\triangle XYZ)}{A(\triangle ABC)} = \dfrac{3}{11} giving the answer as 3 + 11 = 14 \color{#3D99F6}{3+11} = \boxed{\color{#20A900}{14}}

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Can a solution be any better... thanks!

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 10 months ago

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My friend had tell me a nice way of approaching such type of questions. Particularly of this type. The method is really good but silly. You will laugh at it. But a correct and approchable method :)

Chirayu Bhardwaj - 5 years, 3 months ago

Superb solution...Mind-blown!!!! :D

Jayakumar Krishnan - 6 years, 10 months ago

will you please explain how triangle PQR and EPF are similar? Rest of the solution is awesome.

Subhajit Ghosh - 6 years, 9 months ago

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They are not (necessarily) similar.

Since they have the same angle, and the area of a triangle is 1 2 a b sin γ \frac{1}{2} a b \sin \gamma , hence the ratio of their areas is 1 2 P E P F sin E P F 1 2 P Q P R sin Q P R = P E P F P Q P R \frac{ \frac{1}{2} PE \cdot PF \sin \angle EPF } { \frac{1}{2} PQ \cdot PR \sin \angle QPR } = \frac{ PE \cdot PF} { PQ \cdot PR } .

This is the "obvious" fact that was mentioned.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 4 months ago
Dang Anh Tu
Jul 8, 2014

In this problem, I use the ratio of the areas of small triangles. (Note: I base on the picture shown in this problem because point Z on segment AC, not on AB as in the problem)

First, let's determine the ratio between the area of triangle C Z X CZX and the area of triangle A B C ABC .

Draw segment B Z BZ . We have:

S C Z X S C Z B = X C B C = X C X B + X C = 4 4 + 3 \frac { { S }_{ CZX } }{ { S }_{ CZB } } =\frac { XC }{ BC } =\frac { XC }{ XB+XC } =\frac { 4 }{ 4+3 }

Moreover, the ratio between the area of triangle C Z B CZB and A B C ABC is

S C Z B S A B C = Z C A C = Z C Z A + Z C = 5 5 + 6 \frac { { S }_{ CZB } }{ { S }_{ ABC } } =\frac { ZC }{ AC } =\frac { ZC }{ ZA+ZC } =\frac { 5 }{ 5+6 }

So we got the ratio between the area of triangle C Z X CZX and A B C ABC is:

S C Z X S A B C = 5 5 + 6 × 4 4 + 3 \frac { { S }_{ CZX } }{ { S }_{ ABC } } =\frac { 5 }{ 5+6 } \times \frac { 4 }{ 4+3 }

Keep following on this way, we have:

S X Y B S A B C = 2 2 + 1 × 3 4 + 3 \frac { { S }_{ XYB } }{ { S }_{ ABC } } =\frac { 2 }{ 2+1 } \times \frac { 3 }{ 4+3 }

S A Z Y S A B C = 1 2 + 1 × 6 5 + 6 \frac { { S }_{ AZY } }{ { S }_{ ABC } } =\frac { 1 }{ 2+1 } \times \frac { 6 }{ 5+6 }

Sum all the above results, we have

S A Z Y + S B X Y + S C X Z S A B C = 8 11 \frac { { S }_{ AZY }+{ S }_{ BXY }+{ S }_{ CXZ } }{ { S }_{ ABC } } =\frac { 8 }{ 11 }

So, the ratio between the area of triangle X Y Z XYZ and A B C ABC is

1 8 11 = 3 11 1-\frac { 8 }{ 11 } =\frac { 3 }{ 11 }

Finally, the sum of the n u m e r a t o r numerator and the d e n o m i n a t o r denominator is 3 + 11 = 14 3+11=\boxed { 14 } !

Satvik, this is your age (you know that, right?). Please correct the problem as I wrote above!

You can also get the ratio of the area of the small triangles to the large triangle by using Law of Cosines.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Yes....could you please do so by providing alternative method?

Jayakumar Krishnan - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Let r = [ X Y Z ] [ A B C ] r=\dfrac{[XYZ]}{[ABC]} the value we're looking for. Clearly, r = [ A B C ] [ A Y Z ] [ B X Y ] [ C X Z ] [ A B C ] r=\dfrac{[ABC]-[AYZ]-[BXY]-[CXZ]}{[ABC]} . Now, let B X = 3 a BX=3a , X C = 4 a XC=4a , B Y = 2 c BY=2c , Y A = c YA=c , A Z = 6 b AZ=6b and Z C = 5 b ZC=5b .

First let's find the sines of all angles. By Cosine's law:

cos A = 121 b 2 + 9 c 2 49 a 2 66 b c \cos A=\dfrac{121b^2+9c^2-49a^2}{66bc}

So, sin A = 1 cos 2 A = ( 7 a + 11 b + 3 c ) ( 7 a + 11 b 3 c ) ( 7 a 11 b + 3 c ) ( 7 a + 11 b + 3 c ) 66 b c \sin A=\sqrt{1-\cos^2 A}=\dfrac{\sqrt{(7a+11b+3c)(7a+11b-3c)(7a-11b+3c)(-7a+11b+3c)}}{66bc}

You can obtain that numerator just factorizing twice a difference of squares. Now, let x x be that numerator, so sin A = x 66 b c \sin A=\dfrac{x}{66bc} . In a similar way, sin B = x 42 a c \sin B=\dfrac{x}{42ac} and sin C = x 154 a b \sin C=\dfrac{x}{154ab} .

Next, we find [ A B C ] [ABC] using sine's law, choosing any pair of sides:

[ A B C ] = ( 7 a ) ( 11 b ) sin C 2 = x 4 [ABC]=\dfrac{(7a)(11b) \sin C}{2}=\dfrac{x}{4}

We do the same to find the remaining areas, only that in this cases we can only choose the evident pair of sides and its angle:

[ A Y Z ] = ( 6 b ) ( c ) sin A 2 = x 22 [AYZ]=\dfrac{(6b)(c) \sin A}{2}=\dfrac{x}{22}

[ B X Y ] = ( 3 a ) ( 2 c ) sin B 2 = x 14 [BXY]=\dfrac{(3a)(2c) \sin B}{2}=\dfrac{x}{14}

[ C X Z ] = ( 4 a ) ( 5 b ) sin C 2 = 5 x 77 [CXZ]=\dfrac{(4a)(5b) \sin C}{2}=\dfrac{5x}{77}

Finally, find r r :

r = x 4 x 22 x 14 5 x 77 x 4 r=\dfrac{\dfrac{x}{4}-\dfrac{x}{22}-\dfrac{x}{14}-\dfrac{5x}{77}}{\dfrac{x}{4}}

r = 3 44 1 4 = 3 11 r=\dfrac{\dfrac{3}{44}}{\dfrac{1}{4}}=\dfrac{3}{11}

Hence, m = 3 m=3 , n = 11 n=11 and m + n = 14 \boxed{m+n=14} .

I don't know why I couldn't post the solution directly. This is the second time that this happens to me. Anyone knows why?

Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar - 6 years, 10 months ago

That's right, but some students don't know about Law of Cosines, so this is the easiest way for everyone to know and answer this problem. I think maybe please can you upload your solution so we can share the knowledge together!

Dang Anh Tu - 6 years, 11 months ago

@Dang Anh Tu You're right. That's my age, and the answers to most of my problems are related to me!... :P. BTW sorry for that error, I believe I've corrected it.

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Yes Satvik, I know many problems we made, all of them we wanted them to be related to us. This is our own passion and the way to get inspiration from other people!

Dang Anh Tu - 6 years, 11 months ago

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