Jack and Jill may be skating still

Jack and Jill are skating. Jill has a mass of 50 kg 50~\mbox{kg} , Jack has a mass of 80 kg 80~\mbox{kg} . At t = 0 seconds t = 0~\mbox{seconds} Jill starts skating across a 50 m 50~\mbox{m} diameter rink at a speed of 3 m/s 3~\mbox{m/s} . After 3 seconds 3~\mbox{seconds} Jack skates after her with a speed of 5 m/s 5~\mbox{m/s} . When they meet, Jack scoops up Jill and they glide to the other end of the rink together. At what time t t in seconds do they reach the other side of the rink? You can neglect any friction of the ice or drag.


The answer is 14.

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9 solutions

David Altizio
May 20, 2014

First, we determine the distance both skaters are from the edge of the rink when they meet each other. To do this, it is easiest to make a table to organize our work. We are given the speeds at which Jack and Jill skate, so letting t m t_m be the time they meet and plugging in the values into the table gives us the following table:

Rate Time Distance Jill 3 t m 3 t m Jack 5 t m 3 5 ( t m 3 ) \begin{array}{|c|c|c|c|}\hline & \text{Rate} & \text{Time} & \text{Distance} \\ \hline \text{Jill} & 3 & t_m & 3t_m \\ \hline \text{Jack} & 5 & t_m-3 & 5(t_m-3) \\ \hline\end{array}

Since the time it takes for both Jack and Jill to travel this distance are the same, we have 3 t m = 5 ( t m 3 ) t m = 7.5. 3t_m=5(t_m-3)\implies t_m=7.5.

Therefore the two skaters meet at time t = 7.5 t=7.5 seconds, and when they do meet they are at a distance of 3 ( 7.5 ) = 22.5 3(7.5)=22.5 meters away from the original end of the rink. This implies that Jill travels the remaining 50 22.5 = 27.5 50-22.5=27.5 meters scooped up in Jack's arms.

Now, the Law of Conservation of Momentum comes into play. When Jill is skating, she exerts a momentum of ( 50 kg ) ( 3 m/s ) = 150 N s (50\text{ kg})(3 \text{ m/s})=150\text{ N}\cdot\text{s} , and when Jack is skating he exerts a momentum of ( 80 kg ) ( 5 m/s ) = 400 N s (80\text{ kg})(5 \text{ m/s})=400\text{ N}\cdot\text{s} . Therefore, when they "collide", the momentum of the system is therefore 550 N s 550\text{ N}\cdot\text{s} . This does not change once Jill gets scooped up in Jack's arms. Since the two have a combined mass of 130 kg 130\text{ kg} , their momentum is 130 v N s 130v\text{ N}\cdot\text{s} , where v v is the speed of the couple. This means that 550 = 130 v v = 55 13 = 4.23 550=130v\implies v=\dfrac{55}{13}=4.23 . Thus, combining this with our earlier work, we get that the time it takes for the couple to travel to the end of the ice rink is distance rate = 27.5 m 4.23 m/s = 6.5 s . \dfrac{\text{distance}}{\text{rate}}=\dfrac{27.5\text{ m}}{4.23\text{ m/s}}=6.5\text{ s}. Finally, we have that they reach the end of the ice rink at time t = 6.5 s + 7.5 s = 14 s . t=6.5\text{ s}+7.5\text{ s}=\boxed{14\text{ s}}.

The first step is to find the position of Jack and Jill when they meet. To do this, we find the intersection of the lines y = 3 t + 9 y = 3t + 9 and y = 5 t y = 5t where y y is position in meters and t t is time in seconds. We get ( t , y ) = ( 4.5 (t,y) = (4.5 seconds , 22.5 , 22.5 meters ) ) . Because this is the time after Jack began skating, we must add 3 3 seconds to it, which gives us 7.5 7.5 seconds.

When Jack picks Jill up, their combined velocity changes and, because there is no friction on the ice to slow them down, they will continue at this velocity for the rest of their path across the rink. We can calculate their velocity using conservation of momentum. That is, m J a c k v J a c k + m J i l l v J i l l = m_{Jack}\cdot{v_{Jack}} + m_{Jill}\cdot{v_{Jill}} = m J a c k a n d J i l l v J a c k a n d J i l l m_{Jack and Jill}\cdot{v_{Jack and Jill}} where m i m_i and v i v_i represent the mass and velocity of person(s) i i . Substituting in the given values to this equation, we get 80 5 + 50 3 = ( 80 + 50 ) v J a c k a n d J i l l 80\cdot5 + 50\cdot3 = (80 + 50)\cdot{v_{Jack and Jill}} \to v J a c k a n d J i l l = 550 130 = 55 13 v_{Jack and Jill} = \frac{550}{130} = \frac{55}{13} . Because Jack and Jill travelled 22.5 22.5 meters before meeting, they have 27.5 27.5 meters more to travel, so the time it takes them to reach the end is 27.5 55 13 = 6.5 \frac{27.5}{\frac{55}{13}} = 6.5 seconds. Adding this to the time before their meeting, 7.5 7.5 seconds, gives us a final answer of 14 14 seconds.

Yong See Foo
May 20, 2014

First, Jack scoops up Jill at t 1 t_1 , where 3 × 3 + 3 t 1 = 5 1 t 1 = 7.5 3 \times 3+3t_1=5_1 \Rightarrow t_1=7.5 seconds. After that, their new velocity by the conservation of momentum is v v , where 50 × 3 + 80 × 5 = v ( 50 + 80 ) v = 55 13 50 \times 3 + 80 \times 5=v(50+80) \Rightarrow v=\frac{55}{13} . Therefore the time taken is 7.5 + 50 7.5 × 3 55 13 = 14 7.5+\frac{50-7.5 \times 3}{\frac{55}{13}}=14 seconds.

Nick Ting
May 20, 2014

We know that Jill starts to skate first, at t=0 seconds, and then Jack follows her after 3 seconds. And then in some point they meet and Jack picks her up and they skate together for the remaining distance.

So, we have to find the time and the distance at which they meet. The time is with respect to Jill's starting time. We know that that they will meet up after some distance because Jack is moving much faster than Jill although she starts skating first. Let t_Jill be Jill's skating time,

        d_ Jill = d_ Jack

and by using (distance = speed x time), v_ Jill(t_ Jill)=v_ Jack(t_ Jack)

           v_ Jill(t_ Jill)=v_ Jack(t_ Jill - 3)

Plug in the numbers we get,

           (3 m/s)(t_Jill)=(5 m/s)(t_Jill - 3)

            3 t_Jill=5 t_Jill - 15

            2 t_Jill= 15

               t_Jill= 7.5 seconds

The distance at which they meet ,

             v_Jill x t_Jill

            =(3 m/s)(7.5s)

            =22.5 meters

The distance left for both of them to cover,

           (50 - 22.5) meters

           =27.5 meters

At this point Jack scoops Jill up and they move together. This situation is similar to an inelastic collision.

Ignoring drag or friction on the ice, we can assume that total momentum is conserved, and we can use this formula

italic (m 1)(u 1)+(m 2)(u 2)=(m 1+m 2)(v)

Plug in the numbers, we get

        (50)(3) + (80)(5) = (50+80)v

        550=(130)v

        v= 4.23 m/s [speed of Jack  and Jill moving together]

Time of both of them to cover the remaining 27.5 meters

= (27.5)/(4.23)

=6.5 seconds

This is not the time where they reach the other side of the rink. This is just the time for the 27.5 meters

Thus, the time where they reach the other side of the rink

=6.5 seconds + (the time where Jack and Jill met)

=6.5 seconds + 7.5 seconds

=14 seconds

Shivam Khosla
Dec 19, 2013

For jill d=vt=3*3=9 m Jack travels 9+3t distance before scopping up.....velocity of jack is 5 m/s...9+3t=5t t=4.5sec

Total time=3+4.5=>7.5... Total distance travvelled uptill now...3*7.5=22.5...remaining distance =50-22.5=>27.5 Now conserve momentum...and get v final(velocity after scooping) den divide it with 27.5 as t=d/v...der total time =t1+t2

Abhishek Ranjan
May 20, 2014

Jill: d〓vt〓3m/s x 3s〓9m Jack 〓 Jill: 9m + 3m/s t 〓5m/s t; 2m/s t 〓 9m; t〓4.5s Total time so far 7.5s Total distance so far 7.5s x 3m/s 〓 22.5 Distance remaining: 50 - 22.5 〓 27.5m New velocity after scoop: m1v1 + m2v2 〓 m3v3; 50x3 + 80x5 〓 m3v3 ,130v3 〓 550; v3〓4.23m/s Remaining time: 27.5 m / 4.23 m/s 〓 6.5s Total time〓6.5s + 7.5s 〓14s

Harsh Mohan
May 20, 2014

Jill: d〓vt〓3m/s x 3s〓9m Jack 〓 Jill: 9m + 3m/s t 〓5m/s t; 2m/s t 〓 9m; t〓4.5s Total time so far 7.5s Total distance so far 7.5s x 3m/s 〓 22.5 Distance remaining: 50 - 22.5 〓 27.5m New velocity after scoop: m1v1 + m2v2 〓 m3v3; 50x3 + 80x5 〓 m3v3 ,130v3 〓 550; v3〓4.23m/s Remaining time: 27.5 m / 4.23 m/s 〓 6.5s Total time〓6.5s + 7.5s 〓14s

Irawan Tanudirdjo
May 20, 2014

Assume Jack is A and Jill is I, so mI = 50 kg mA = 80 kg vI = 3 m/s vA = 5 m/s tA = tI - 3 s

first step, calculate when Jack meet Jill and scoops up her, when they have traveled same distance: sA = sI vA . tA = vI . tI 5 . (tI - 3) = 3 . tI so tI = 7.5 s and sI = 22.5 m

second step, calculate their combined velocity using energy conservation: EkA + EkI = EkC 0.5 . mA . vA^2 + 0.5 . mI . vI^2 = 0.5 . mC . vC^2 0.5 . 80 . 5^2 + 0.5 . 50 . 3^2 = 0.5 . (80+50) . vC^2 vC^2 = 245/13 so vC = 4.3412 m/s

third step, calculate time for the remaining distance: sR = 50 - sI = 50 - 22.5 = 27.5 m tR = sR / vC = 27.5 / 4.3412 = 6.3346 s

fourth step, calculate the total time: t = 7.5 + 6.3346 = 13.8346 s

t = t' + t'' t' = time needed for Jack to meet Jill t'' = time needed for those 2 reach the other side after meet t' = 3 * 3 / (5-3) = 4.5 seconds

use momentum v' = (50*3 + 80 *5)/130 t'' = 41 *130 / 550 = 14.2

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