JEE Quadratic Equations 1

Algebra Level 5

If a x 2 b x + c = 0 ax^2-bx+c=0 have two distinct roots lying in the interval (0,1) and a , b , c N a,b,c\in N , then find least value of log 5 ( a b c ) \log_{\sqrt{5}} (abc) .

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The answer is 4.00.

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2 solutions

Andrea Palma
Mar 29, 2015

Conditions on problem translate with the following inequalities

GM ( a , c ) < b 2 < AM ( c , a ) \textrm{GM}(a,c) < \frac{b}{2} < \textrm{AM}(c,a)

with c < a c < a

Set S = { n 2 n N } Q S = \left. \left\{ \dfrac{n}{2} \, \right\vert \ \ n \in \mathbb N \right\} \subset \mathbb Q .

Anytime there is an element of S S between GM and AM we have a parabola fitting the criteria.

Since f ( x ) = x f(x) = \sqrt{x} is obviously monotone increasing, and by the simple fact that for positive reals x , y , z , t x,y,z,t we have x y , z t x z y t x \leq y, z \leq t \Rightarrow xz \leq yt , our problem to minimize a b c abc is then split in two easier problem.

FIRST: Find a a and c c so that their product a c ac is the minimum value such that

S a , c : = S ( GM ( a , c ) , AM ( c , a ) ) S_{a,c} := S \cap \left( \textrm{GM}(a,c) , \textrm{AM}(c,a) \right) \not= \emptyset

SECOND: Once such minimum a c ac is found simply set b = 2 min S a , c b= 2\cdot \min S_{a,c} .

To solve the first problem we can start thinking that way. We have to minimize a c ac so we keep a c ac as low as possible in a way that a + c a+c is as large as possible. This happens when c c and a a have max distance.

So examine initially the case when c = 1 c=1 , and the least a a we find so that S a , 1 S_{a,1} \not = \emptyset is a = 5 a= 5 . In this case we have

GM ( 1 , 5 ) = 5 2.236 AM ( 1 , 5 ) = 3 S 5 , 1 = { 5 2 } \textrm{GM}(1,5) = \sqrt 5 \approx 2.236 \quad \textrm{AM}(1,5) = 3 \quad S_{5,1} = \left\{ \dfrac{5}{2}\right\}

and a c = 5 ac = 5 .

In the cases where c > 1 c > 1 , since it must always be c < a c < a , the lowest choice possible is c = 2 , a = 3 c = 2, \quad a = 3 that gives a product a c = 6 ac = 6 that is greater than 5 5 we obtained previously. This proves that we found the minimum value for a c ac .

By the second problem, since the minimum of S 5 , 1 S_{5,1} is 2.5 2.5 , we take b = 5 b = 5 and the product a b c = 5 5 1 = 25 abc = 5\cdot 5 \cdot 1 = 25 .

And the answer is 4 4 .

Nayan Pathak
Feb 16, 2015

abc must belong to N,now if abc=1,by checking D<0,now if is 5 then b must be 5 to make D>0,but after checking we get roots greater than 1,so for 25 a=5,b=5,c=1 the conditions satisfy(D is the discriminant)

I want real solution

Amrit Anand - 6 years, 3 months ago

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This is not an imaginary solution.

Prakash Chandra Rai - 6 years, 2 months ago

:) I just wrote a solution. And not a too c o m p l e x complex one :)

Andrea Palma - 6 years, 2 months ago

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