Leaky current

The simplest RC circuit consists of a single resistor and capacitor connected around a loop. A capacitor initially charged to 100 V 100~\mbox{V} is connected in such a circuit and the voltage across the capacitor drops to 10 V 10~\mbox{V} in 5 seconds 5~\mbox{seconds} . A second identical resistor is then connected in parallel with the first resistor. How long does it take in seconds for the voltage across the capacitor to further drop to 1 V 1~\mbox{V} ?


The answer is 2.5.

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Makarand Gomashe
May 20, 2014

Clearly, as the resistor and the capacitor form a loop, Kirchoff's Voltage Law can be applied. Let- q = charge on capacitor at any time 't', C = capacitance of the capacitor, i = current through the loop at time 't', R = resistance of the resistor. Hence, by Kirchoff's Voltage Law, q / C + i R = 0 q / C = i R q / R C = d q / d t q/C + iR = 0 \rightarrow q/C = - iR \rightarrow - q/RC = dq/dt (as we know, i = dq/dt). Hence d t / R C = d q / q - dt/RC = dq/q .

Integrating both sides, we get, t / R C = l n ( q ) + c - t/RC = ln(q) + c . But q = VC, where V is potential drop across capacitor, so t / R C = l n ( V C ) + c - t/RC = ln(VC) + c . Now, when t=0, V=100V (given in the question). Hence, c = - ln(100C). Hence the equation becomes, t / R C = l n ( V / 100 ) - t/RC = ln(V/100) . Now by the information in the question, V=10V when t=5s Hence, - 5/RC = ln(10/100) or -5/RC = ln(0.1) (1).

Now when another resistor is connected in parallel, the net resistance becomes R/2, and now initial potential across capacitor at this moment is 10V. Hence from above derivation, the equation becomes 2 t / R C = l n ( V / 10 ) - 2t/RC = ln(V/10) . Let's say it takes time 't' to drop to V=1V. So 2 t / R C = l n ( 1 / 10 ) 2 t / R C = l n ( 0.1 ) - 2t/RC = ln(1/10) \rightarrow - 2t/RC = ln(0.1) (2).

Now dividing eqn(1) by eqn(2) 5 / R C = 2 t / R C t = 5 / 2 = 2.5 - 5/RC = - 2t/RC t = 5/2 =2.5 seconds. Hence the result, that it would take 2.5 seconds to drop to 1V.

Meet Udeshi
Dec 20, 2013

For the voltage to drop by a factor of 1 10 \frac 1{10} , it takes 5 seconds, at a rate of 1 R C \frac 1{RC} .

Now the resistance is changed to R 2 \frac R2 , so the rate is doubled.

With the same rate, it would again have taken 5 seconds for the voltage to drop by a factor of 1 10 \frac 1{10} , but with double rate, it will take half the time. Hence 2.5 seconds

Krishna Jha
Sep 3, 2013

Voltage across the capacitor plates at time t t in an RC circuit is given by

V = V 0 e t R C V=V_0e^{\frac{-t}{RC}}

Where V 0 V_0 is the initial voltage.

Initially V 0 = 100 V V_0=100\hspace{2mm}V . At t = 5 s e c t=5\hspace{2mm}sec voltage V = 10 V V=10\hspace{2mm}V

10 = 100 e 5 R C \Rightarrow 10=100e^{\frac{-5}{RC}}

R C = 5 l n 10 . . . . ( 1 ) \Rightarrow RC=\frac{5}{ln10}....(1)

After the second resistor is put in parallel, the equivalent resistance R e q = R 2 R_{eq} =\frac{R}{2}

So, if t t is the time taken for the potential drop to equal 1 V 1\hspace{2mm}V ,

1 = 10 e 2 t R C . . . . ( 2 ) 1=10e^{\frac{-2t}{RC}}....(2)

Putting the value of R C RC from ( 1 ) (1) in ( 2 ) (2) and taking l n ln ,

t = 2.5 s e c t=\boxed{2.5 \hspace{2mm} sec}

I think we can shortcut even further. The initial case gives 1 10 = e 5 R C {1 \over 10} = e^{-5 \over RC} and the second case gives 1 10 = e 2 t R C {1 \over 10} = e^{-2t \over RC} . So we can go straight to 5 R C = 2 t R C {5 \over RC} = {2t \over RC} .

Matt McNabb - 7 years, 9 months ago

Thanks Matt M.....

Krishna Jha - 7 years, 9 months ago

nice & it's great.

Shuaib Tarek - 7 years, 9 months ago
Adhi Anand
May 20, 2014

(i) At t=0, V=100. (ii) At t=5, V(5)=10 here R=R and C=C. (iii) AT t=? V(t)=1 here R=R/2 and C=C. we get the value of RC = 2.17147 by solving equation (ii). Substituting this in equation (iii) we get t=2.5

Limao Luo
Dec 20, 2013

If it initally takes 5 seconds for the voltage drop to decrease by a factor of 10, then halving the resistance will halve the time to 2.5 \boxed{2.5} seconds.

Vitaly Breyev
Sep 3, 2013

In this case, we consider direct current circuit that obeys the Ohm's Law.

From the Ohm's Law, V = I R = R d Q d t V = IR = R\frac{dQ}{dt} . Since C = Q V C = \frac{Q}{V} , we can further transform this equation to V = R d d t C V = R C d V V = R\frac{d}{dt}CV = RCdV . Further manipulations give use the ODE 1 V d V = 1 R C d t \frac{1}{V}dV = \frac{1}{RC}dt . Solving it gives us log V 2 V 1 = t 1 , 1 R C \log{\frac{V_2}{V_1}} = \frac{t_{1,1}}{RC} , assuming t 0 = 0 t_0 = 0 .

Repeating the previous steps for the case with two resistors in parallel that have total resistance of R / 2 R/2 , we get that log V 2 V 1 = 2 t 2 , 1 R C \log{\frac{V_2}{V_1}} = \frac{2t_{2,1}}{RC} .

We now notice that in cases with both a single resistor and resistors in parallel, log V 2 V 1 \log{\frac{V_2}{V_1}} is the same. From here, we can equate t 1 , 1 R C \frac{t_{1,1}}{RC} and t 2 , 1 R C \frac{t_{2,1}}{RC} , and it means that 2 t 2 , 1 t 1 , 1 R C = 0 \frac{2t_{2,1} - t_{1,1}}{RC} = 0 . Therefore, t 2 , 1 = t 1 , 1 / 2 = 2.5 t_{2,1} = t_{1,1}/2 = \boxed{2.5} seconds.

Sorry, instead of R C d V RCdV there should be R C d V d t RC\frac{dV}{dt} .

Vitaly Breyev - 7 years, 9 months ago
Kayne Johnston
Sep 2, 2013

It takes 5 seconds for the voltage across the capacitor to drop by a factor of 10 (from 100V to 10V) while one resistor is in the loop. When a second resistor is placed in parallel the total resistance doubles (1/Rt = 1/R + 1/R = 2/R, Rt=2R) and hence the time it takes for the voltage across the capacitor to decrease by a further factor of 10 is half the time, 2.5 seconds.

When the second resistor is placed in parallel, the the equivalent resistance of the circuit is halved, not doubled. $$\frac{1}{R t}=\frac{2}{R} \Rightarrow R t=\frac{R}{2}$$

Ricky Escobar - 7 years, 9 months ago

Sorry, that's what I meant! Thanks.

Kayne Johnston - 7 years, 9 months ago
Maharnab Mitra
Sep 2, 2013

Since it is a discharging circuit, we can write the instantaneous voltage as v= v o v_{o} e t / ( R C ) e^{-t/(RC)} where R is the resistance and C is the capacitance. At t=5seconds, 10=100 e 5 / ( R C ) e^{-5/(RC)} which yields RC= 5 l n 10 \frac{5}{ln10} . After 5seconds R becomes R 2 \frac{R}{2} as same resistance is connected in parallel. Now the instantaneous voltage becomes v= v o v_{o} e 2 t / ( R C ) e^{-2t/(RC)} where t is the time elapsed after 5 seconds. Let after t seconds, the voltage become 1V. Therefore, 1=10 e 2 t / ( R C ) e^{-2t/(RC)} which yields t=2.5seconds.

Mani Jha
Sep 2, 2013

Let the Resistance be R and Capacitance be C . We know that for a discharging capacitor:

V = V 0 e t / R C V=V_{0}*e^{-t/RC}

We plug in V = 10 , V 0 = 100 , t = 5 V=10, V_{0}=100 , t=5 , take log of both sides and simplify to get R C = 5 / l n 10 RC=5/ln10

Next when the identical resistance is connected in parallel with the original resistance R, the equivalent resistance becomes R/2 (When n identical resistances R are connected in parallel, the equivalent resistance is R/n ).

For the next case, we plug in V = 1 , V 0 = 10 , R = R / 2 V=1,V_{0}=10, R=R/2 in the same equation:

V = V 0 e t / R C V=V_{0}*e^{-t/RC}

Then we use R C = 5 / l n 10 RC=5/ln10 , take log, simplify to obtain t = 2.5 t=2.5

Note : There's also a simpler, shorter and more logical way *Method 2: * We analyze the equation:

V = V 0 e t / R C V=V_{0}*e^{-t/RC}

Taking log of both sides and solving for t, we obtain::

t = R C l n ( V / V 0 ) t=-RC*ln(V/V_{0})

We observer that in both the cases in the problem, (\V/V_{0}) is the same and equal to 0.1. Also, C is same for both cases. The only differing case is the value of R , which gets halved in the next case. Since everything else is constant, t is directly proportional to R . So, as R gets halved, So does t . So, t=2.5

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