Let x n be a positive root of the equation x n = x 2 + x + 1 .
Find exp ( n → ∞ lim n ( x n − 1 ) ) .
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Could I know the reasoning behind the binomial expansion in the right side of the first inequality?
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I figured it out. It's just the expansion of the bracket to power n (to the third term)
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...as many terms as I needed to show that u n was a bounded sequence...
Proposition: Let x n ∈ R be a positive root of x n = x 2 + x + 1 . Then, e lim n → ∞ n ( x n − 1 ) = 3 .
Proof:
First, note that for x = 1 ,
1 n < 1 2 + 1 + 1 , ∀ n ∈ R
Now let ε > 0 . Because ( 1 + ε ) n is an increasing exponential, this means that given an ε > 0 , ∃ N such that for all n ≥ N
( 1 + ε ) n > ( 1 + ε ) 2 + ( 1 + ε ) + 1
Moreover, since the left hand side changes from less than to greater than as we go from 1 to 1 + ε , by the continuity of polynomials we know that there must be a positive real root x n ∈ ( 1 , 1 + ε ) .
Thus, we can see that for n ≥ N ,
1 2 + 1 + 1 < x n n < ( 1 + ε ) 2 + ( 1 + ε ) + 1 ⇒ 3 n 1 < x n < ( 3 + 3 ε + ε 2 ) n 1 ⇒ n ( 3 n 1 − 1 ) < n ( x n − 1 ) < n ( ( 3 + 3 ε + ε 2 ) n 1 − 1 )
Therefore, α
n → ∞ lim n ( 3 n 1 − 1 ) ≤ n → ∞ l i m i n f n ( x n − 1 ) ≤ n → ∞ l i m s u p n ( x n − 1 ) ≤ n → ∞ lim n ( ( 3 + 3 ε + ε 2 ) n 1 − 1 )
Now, by using L'Hospital's rule, we can see that
n → ∞ lim n ( 3 n 1 − 1 ) = n → ∞ lim n 1 ( 3 n 1 − 1 ) = n → ∞ lim 3 n 1 ln 3 = ln 3
Similarly,
n → ∞ lim n ( ( 3 + 3 ε + ε 2 ) n 1 − 1 ) = ln ( 3 + 3 ε + ε 2 )
This means that
ln 3 ≤ n → ∞ l i m i n f n ( x n − 1 ) ≤ n → ∞ l i m s u p n ( x n − 1 ) ≤ ln ( 3 + 3 ε + ε 2 )
If we now take the limit as ε → 0 , we get
ln 3 ≤ n → ∞ l i m i n f n ( x n − 1 ) ≤ n → ∞ l i m s u p n ( x n − 1 ) ≤ ln 3
Thus, by the Squeeze Theorem,
n → ∞ l i m i n f n ( x n − 1 ) = n → ∞ l i m s u p n ( x n − 1 ) = ln 3 ⇒ n → ∞ lim n ( x n − 1 ) = ln 3 ⇒ e lim n → ∞ n ( x n − 1 ) = 3
Q . E . D .
α Contribution by Mark Hennings
Your are assuming that the limit of n ( x n − 1 ) exists right at the beginning, before you have applied de l'Hopital and the Squeeze Theorem. As it stands, you have determined what the limit must be if it exists.
What you need to do is note that l i m i n f n → ∞ n ( x n − 1 ) ≥ ln 3 l i m s u p n → ∞ n ( x n − 1 ) ≤ ln ( 3 + 3 ε + ε 2 ) And now let ε to 0 to deduce that the limit inferior and superior exist and are equal, so the limit exists.
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Thank you for the correction! I have updated the solution.
What is the proof that there is a positive (real) root to the equation x^n = x^2 + x +1 for any positive n?
for n = 2, x = -1, not a positive root.
for n = large, must not x^n approach zero, which then leads to a quadratic formula with an imaginary part.
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If we define f n ( x ) = x n − x 2 − x − 1 then f n ( 1 ) = − 2 , while f n ( 2 ) = 2 n − 7 > 0 for all n ≥ 3 . Thus we can find 1 < x n < 2 for all n ≥ 3 . Since we are interested in the behaviour for large n , we can cope with the nonexistence of x n for n = 1 , 2 .
lets define the series u n = n ( x n − 1 ) → x n = 1 + n u n when we plug it in the equation we have ( 1 + n u n ) n = n 2 u n 2 + 3 n u n + 3 we can see that if u n converges then using the defination of e e u = 3 . now all we need to do is show u n converges. notice that if the series x n is constant, the equation cannot be satisfied. same goes for polynomial series for x n as the LHS diverges too fast.(exponential vs polynomial). so ofcourse that means the laurent series for x n must not have any positive powers.and the independent term must be 1 otherwise we would have exponential vs constants or zero vs non zero constants. x n = 1 + k = 1 ∑ ∞ a k n − k → u n = a 1 + k = 2 ∑ ∞ a k n 1 − k ofcourse at infinity u n = a 1 showing a convergence.
The proof of convergence could be done much cleaner. You seem to be assuming that there is a Laurent series for x n , which need not always be the case.
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that was my best attempt to proving convergence, which probably wasnt good enough. can you show me the more cleaner way?
Wow! I think this solution is more straight forward! I like this solution.
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Note that this argument is not mathematically correct. The other solutions (esp Mark's) addresses the issues that I brought up, and deal with the bounding carefully.
Numerical solution: (matlab code) for i = 3:1000 a = zeros(1,i-3); p = [1, a, -1, -1, -1]; exp(i * (max(roots(p)) - 1)) end
But how do you know that the answer is exactly 3?
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If we write u n = n ( x n − 1 ) , then ( 1 + n 1 u n ) n = n 2 1 u n 2 + n 3 u n + 3 n ≥ 1 If n ≥ 4 then n 2 1 u n 2 + n 3 u n + 3 2 = ( 1 + n 1 u n ) n > 1 + n × n 1 u n + 2 n ( n − 1 ) × n 2 1 u n 2 ≥ n n − 3 u n + 2 n 2 n ( n − 1 ) − 2 u n 2 ≥ 4 1 u n and hence 0 < u n ≤ 8 for all n ≥ 4 . Thus it is now clear that lim n → ∞ ( 3 + n 3 u n + n 2 1 u n 2 ) = 3 , and hence n → ∞ lim ( 1 + n 1 u n ) n = 3 so that n → ∞ lim n ln ( 1 + n 1 u n ) = ln 3 Note that x − 2 1 x 2 < ln ( 1 + x ) < x for x > 0 , and hence u n − 2 n 1 u n 2 ∣ ∣ u n − n ln ( 1 + n 1 u n ) ∣ ∣ < n ln ( 1 + n 1 u n ) < u n < 2 n 1 u n 2 ≤ n 3 2 for n ≥ 4 . Thus we deduce that n → ∞ lim ( u n − n ln ( 1 + n 1 u n ) ) n → ∞ lim u n = n → ∞ lim n ln ( 1 + n 1 u n ) = 0 = ln 3 making the answer 3 .