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Given a function f ( x ) = a x 2 b x 16 f(x) = ax^{2}-bx-16 doesn't has 2 distinct real roots. Find the maximum value of 4 a b 4a-b .


The answer is 4.

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6 solutions

Curtis Clement
Feb 8, 2015

From using the discriminant we obtain: b 2 4 a c = b 2 + 64 a 0 b^2 -4ac = b^2 +64a\leq\ 0 . However, b 2 b^{2} \geq 0 , so a {a} will be negative and we want a {a} to have the largest value possible, so b 2 4 a c = b 2 + 64 a = 0 b^2 -4ac = b^2 +64a = 0 Now we rearrange this equation to obtain: a = b 2 64 4 a b = b 2 16 b = ( b 2 + 16 b 16 ) a = -\frac{b^2}{64}\Rightarrow\ 4a-b = -\frac{b^2}{16} - b = -(\frac{b^2 +16b}{16}) This value is negtive and b 2 b^{2} \geq 0 so we must minimise b {b} (by completing the square) to maximise the whole expression. This gives: 4 a b = 64 ( b + 8 ) 2 16 l e t b = 8 m a x ( 4 a b ) = 4 4a-b = \frac{64 - (b+8)^2}{16}\rightarrow\ let \ b = -8 \rightarrow\ max \ (4a-b) = 4

Nice !! !!!

Shubhendra Singh - 6 years, 4 months ago

Same solution. Nice!!!

revanth gumpu - 6 years, 4 months ago

It has not been mentioned that a,b,c are real.

Sarthak Singla - 4 years, 11 months ago

Can u pls explain how u removed the inequality to get b² + 64a = 0

Vandit Kumar - 3 years, 3 months ago
Satvik Golechha
Jan 30, 2015

No distinct real roots means that the function is either always positive, or always negative, since it never cuts the x-axis.

We see that it is negative at x = 0 x=0 , so it shall also be negative at x = 4 x=4 . Plugging x = 4 x=4 , we get 16 a 4 b 16 < 0 16a-4b-16<0 , or 4 a b < 4 4a-b<4 . Hence, the maximum possible value is 4 \boxed{4}

Nice solution. But you should put an equality sign in addition to the less than sign. Only then the solution is complete. Since the function can be zero too.

Sanjeet Raria - 6 years, 4 months ago

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can we also go through the approach of putting
x=2 for f'(x) , that has to be always greater than the slope at x=0 or f'(x) at x=0 ? please consider.

Gaurav Jain - 6 years, 4 months ago

Why did you plug in 4?

Roni Jaira - 5 years, 5 months ago

Sweet and simple na?

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 4 months ago

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No distinct real roots can also mean that f ( x ) f (x) has real and equal roots. Thus we can have the discriminant b 2 4 a c = 0 b^2 - 4ac =0

Am i wrong? @Satvik Golechha

Sualeh Asif - 6 years, 4 months ago

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I know, but I thought that won't matter since it's never crossing the horizontal line. Even if it touches, the solution is valid.

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 4 months ago

I used the same method too.

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 4 months ago

beautiful solution

Mayank Holmes - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Thanks... :D

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 4 months ago

Max value of 4a-b would be only if the function touches x axis

Sarthak Singla - 4 years, 11 months ago
Aareyan Manzoor
Jan 30, 2015

its quite simple. no distinct real roots means F(x) is a square. but how, lets see note that ( z i x + y i ) 2 = z 2 x 2 2 z x y y 2 (zix+yi)^2=-z^2x^2 -2zxy-y^2 now inserting y=4 ( z i x + 4 i ) 2 = z 2 x 2 8 z x 16 (zix+4i)^2=-z^2x^2-8zx-16 now we can say that a = z 2 , b = 8 z a=-z^2,b=8z now insert this in the expression 4 a b = 4 z 2 8 z 4a-b=-4z^2-8z now, the max will be attained at z = b 2 a z=-\dfrac{b}{2a} where a \quad a\quad is the coefficient of the 2nd degree term,and b b is the coefficient of the 1st degree term. b 2 a = 8 2 × 4 = 1 -\dfrac{b}{2a}=-\dfrac{-8}{2\times-4}=-1 now insert this to get 4 ( 1 ) 2 8 ( 1 ) = 4 + 8 = 4 -4(-1)^2-8(-1)=-4+8=\boxed{4}

Good method dear friend. But having no distinct roots mean having equal roots or no real roots at all. But I appreciate you for the method you have used. Got to learn something new. :)

Arnab Das - 6 years, 4 months ago

I also used the same method !

Prajwal Krishna
Nov 3, 2016

b^2+64a<=0. (discriminant <=0) 4a<=-(b^2)/16 4a max =-(b^2)/16 4a-b = -(b^2)/16-b =-(b^2+16b)/16 =-{(b+8)^2-64}/16 Max = 4 at b= -8

Harmony Luce
Apr 25, 2016

I think Lagrange Multipliers can also be used for this problem. :)

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