Equation in 2 variables

Algebra Level 1

You think you rock at linear equation? Gimme the solution NOT using hit and trial method! Solve for the values of "x" and "y" and enter x + y x+y

Note: These are not linear equations.


The answer is 13.

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I gave up doing normal stuffs we normally do, so my last effort is the brute force with little help from calculators. :<

From y + x = 11 \sqrt{y} + x = 11 (2)

y = 11 x \sqrt{y} = 11 - x

Substitute into (1)

x 2 22 x + x + 121 = 7 x^{2} - 22x + \sqrt{x} + 121 = 7

Let a = x a = \sqrt{x}

a 4 22 a 2 + a + 114 = 0 a^{4} - 22a^{2} + a + 114 = 0

( a 3 ) ( a 3 + 3 a 2 13 a 38 ) = 0 (a-3)(a^{3}+3a^{2}-13a-38)= 0

This right bracket degree 3 equation gives you 2 negative roots and 1 positive roots, which doesn't work on both equations for x and y. I tried by calculator, sorry. :(

So a = 3 a = 3

x = 9 x = 9

y = 4 y = 4

Therefore, x + y = 13 x+y = \boxed{13}

If there're 1 more condition that x , y x,y are square numbers, I will be able to do that.

Let a = x , b = y a = \sqrt{x}, b = \sqrt{y} , so a , b a,b are natural numbers.

a + b 2 = 7 a + b^{2} = 7 (1')

a 2 + b = 11 a^{2} + b = 11 (2')

(2') - (1'); a 2 b 2 a + b = 4 a^{2} - b^{2} - a + b = 4

( a b ) ( a + b ) ( a b ) = 4 (a-b)(a+b)-(a-b)=4

( a b ) ( a + b 1 ) = 4 (a-b)(a+b-1)=4

2 brackets multiply up to 4, 3 cases possible. (no negative cases because a + b 1 a+b-1 is greater than 0.

  • Case1: a b = 1 , a + b 1 = 4 a-b=1, a+b-1=4 we get a = 3 , b = 2 a=3, b=2
  • Case2: a b = 2 , a + b 1 = 2 a-b=2, a+b-1=2 we get a = 5 2 , b = 1 2 a=\frac{5}{2}, b=\frac{1}{2} (impossible)
  • Case3: a b = 4 , a + b 1 = 1 a-b=4, a+b-1=1 we get a = 3 , b = 1 a=3, b=-1 (impossible)

So there's only 1 solution available x = 9 , y = 4 x = 9, y = 4 .

Samuraiwarm Tsunayoshi - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Well done...

Ankit Vijay - 6 years, 10 months ago

Synthetic division will do for factoring the equation.

Samuraiwarm Tsunayoshi - 6 years, 11 months ago

I could not find a root of the quartic. I'm quite bad at that. Though good effort in that, You may see how I solved it.

Nishant Sharma - 6 years, 11 months ago

Can we use determinants to solve this?

Imran Ansari - 6 years, 10 months ago

There is no need for synthetic divison because in the cubic part none

of the factors of 38 will satisfy and therefore no integer solution is

present. So the only solution which is integer is a = 3 => x = 9.

Abhishek Abhi - 6 years, 11 months ago

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The question didn't ask for only integer solutions, so I have to do some calculations to check if another non-integer solutions works.

Samuraiwarm Tsunayoshi - 6 years, 11 months ago
Nishant Sharma
Jun 29, 2014

Subtracting the two equations we get

y x + x y = 4 y-x+\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{y}=\,-4

( x y ) ( x + y 1 ) = 4 \left(\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{y}\right)\left(\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{y}-1\right)=4 .

Now since x , y x,y\; N \in{\mathbb{N}} , so

x + y > 1 x y \sqrt{x}+\sqrt{y}>1\rightarrow\;\sqrt{x}\geq\sqrt{y}\;\; ( ( Since their product is positive ) ) .

So we need to check for two cases viz. ( x y , x + y 1 ) = ( 1 , 4 ) , ( 2 , 2 ) \left(\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{y},\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{y}-1\right)=\left(1,4\right),\left(2,2\right) .

We can see that the latter doesn't yield integral solutions. So solving the former gives ( x , y ) = ( 9 , 4 ) \left(x,y\right)=\left(9,4\right) .

So x + y = 13 x+y=\boxed{13} .

Why x , y N x, y \in \mathbb N ?

Andrea Palma - 5 years, 3 months ago
Abhishek Abhi
Jun 28, 2014

x + y = 7 \sqrt{x} + y = 7

=> y - 7 = x \sqrt{x}

=> ( y 7 ) 2 (y - 7)^2 = x

=> y 2 y^2 - 14y + 49 = x

Now, y \sqrt{y} + x = 11

=> y \sqrt{y} + ( y 7 ) 2 (y - 7)^2 = 11

=> y 2 y^2 - 14y + y \sqrt{y} + 38 = 0

Taking y \sqrt{y} = t

t 4 t^4 - 14 t 2 t^2 + t + 38 = 0

Applying remainder theorem

t = 2 will be one of the roots

So, (t - 2)( t 3 t^3 - 2 t 2 t^2 - 10t - 19) = 0

Again applying remainder theorem on the second part we can easily see that no integer will be the root as the constant term is a prime no. so it's factors will be only 1 and 19 or -1 and -19 which do not satisfy the 2nd part

This way only t = 2 is the integer solution so y = 4

and x = 9

Gabriel Chacón
Jan 18, 2019

Let a = x a=\sqrt{x} and b = y b=\sqrt{y} . The system then becomes: a + b 2 = 7 a 2 + b = 11 a+b^2=7\\ a^2+b=11

Subtract the equations: 11 7 = ( a 2 b 2 ) ( a b ) 4 = ( a b ) ( a + b 1 ) 11-7=(a^2-b^2)-(a-b) \implies 4=(a-b)(a+b-1) , which means that we either have ( a b ) ( a + b 1 ) = 2 2 \textcolor{#D61F06}{(a-b)}\cdot(a+b-1)=\textcolor{#D61F06}{2}\cdot2 , which is not a solution to the system, or ( a b ) ( a + b 1 ) = 1 4 \textcolor{#D61F06}{(a-b)}\cdot(a+b-1)=\textcolor{#D61F06}{1}\cdot4 , which is. This last case yields a = 3 a=3 and b = 2 b=2 , that is, x = a 2 = 9 x=a^2=9 and y = b 2 = 4 y=b^2=4 , so x + y = 13 x+y=\boxed{13} .

Radha Krishnan B
Jun 28, 2014

Let\quad \sqrt { y } =t.\ So,\quad we\quad get\quad an\quad equation,\ { t }^{ 4 }-14.{ t }^{ 2 }+t+38=0.\ By\quad solving\quad the\quad quartic\quad equation\quad by\quad depressing\quad it,\ we\quad get\quad 2\quad positive\quad solutions\quad for\quad t.\ either\quad t=2\quad or\quad t=3.1313125\ But,\quad 7-{ t }^{ 2 }>0\ so,\quad t\quad cannot\quad be\quad more\quad than\quad 3,\ so\quad t=2,\quad y=4,\quad x=9\ Result:\quad x+y=13

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