Log Inequality

Algebra Level 4

Let x , y , z x,y,z be positive real numbers satisfying x , y , z > 1 x,y,z > 1 . It is true that log y ( x z ) log z ( x y ) k \log_y(xz)\cdot\log_z(xy) \ge k for some real number k k . Find k k accurate to 3 decimal places.

Details and Assumptions

k k may possibly be an integer.


The answer is 1.000.

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2 solutions

Taehyung Kim
Jun 16, 2014

We expand log y ( x z ) log z ( x y ) \log_y(xz)\cdot \log_z(xy) to get ( log y x + log y z ) ( log z x + log z y ) . (\log_yx + \log_yz)(\log_z x + \log_zy). We expand to get log y x log z x + log y z log z x + log z y log y x + log y z log z y \log_yx\cdot\log_zx + \log yz \cdot \log_zx + \log zy \cdot \log yx + \log yz \cdot \log zy which becomes ( log y x ) ( log z x ) + ( log y x ) + ( log z x ) + 1 (\log_y x)(\log_z x) + (\log_y x) + (\log_z x) + 1 which factors as ( log y x + 1 ) ( log z x + 1 ) (\log_y x+ 1)(\log_zx + 1) Make y y and x x as large as possible and the logs approach 0. Thus our minimal value is 1.

In the last expression, just set x = 1 x=1 .

Jubayer Nirjhor - 6 years, 12 months ago

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wow why'd i not notice that.

Taehyung Kim - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Because x>1

Kenny Lau - 6 years, 8 months ago

Yep, I was being dumb ._.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 12 months ago

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You almost trolled me. I kept on having to check my working just to make sure I was right.

Sharky Kesa - 6 years, 11 months ago

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You could have noted that if x = 1 x=1 , then the entire expression collapses to 1 1 , and as x x increases, so does the expression.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 11 months ago

same here also

Prakash Chandra Rai - 6 years, 3 months ago

You mean "Make y y and z z as large as possible"

Jared Low - 6 years, 2 months ago
Daniel Liu
Jun 16, 2014

We want to find the minimum of log y ( x z ) log z ( x y ) \log_y(xz)\cdot\log_z(xy) .

First, we expand the logs: log y ( x z ) log z ( x y ) = ( log y x + log y z ) ( log z x + log z y ) \log_y(xz)\cdot\log_z(xy)=(\log_yx+\log_yz)(\log_zx+\log_zy)

Note that log y z = 1 log z y \log_yz=\dfrac{1}{\log_zy} ; and the less variables we have, the better. So let's substitute: ( log y x + log y z ) ( log z x + log z y ) = ( log y x + 1 log z y ) ( log z x + log z y ) (\log_yx+\log_yz)(\log_zx+\log_zy)=\left(\log_yx+\dfrac{1}{\log_zy}\right)(\log_zx+\log_zy)

Note that we already have a log y x \log_yx and a log z y \log_zy ; all we need to do is have a log x z \log_xz to perform a clever substitution. Fortunately, this is easy: ( log y x + 1 log z y ) ( log z x + log z y ) = ( log y x + 1 log z y ) ( log z y + 1 log x z ) \left(\log_yx+\dfrac{1}{\log_zy}\right)(\log_zx+\log_zy)=\left(\log_yx+\dfrac{1}{\log_zy}\right)\left(\log_zy+\dfrac{1}{\log_xz}\right)

Now we substitute a = log y x a=\log_yx , b = log z y b=\log_zy , and c = log x z c=\log_xz . Note that this brings on the condition that a b c = 1 abc=1 . Also, since x , y , z > 1 x,y,z > 1 , we have a , b , c > 0 a,b,c > 0 .

Thus, we want to find the minimum of ( a + 1 b ) ( b + 1 c ) \left(a+\dfrac{1}{b}\right)\left(b+\dfrac{1}{c}\right)

Expanding: ( a + 1 b ) ( b + 1 c ) = a b + a c + 1 b c + 1 \left(a+\dfrac{1}{b}\right)\left(b+\dfrac{1}{c}\right)=ab+\dfrac{a}{c}+\dfrac{1}{bc}+1

Using a b c = 1 abc=1 : a b + a c + 1 b c + 1 = a + 1 c + a c + 1 ab+\dfrac{a}{c}+\dfrac{1}{bc}+1=a+\dfrac{1}{c}+\dfrac{a}{c}+1

Now it is obvious that the minimum of this can be achieved for a 0 a\to 0 and c c\to \infty . When this happens, the minimum is 1 1 , so our final answer is 1.000 \boxed{1.000} . Note that this minimum cannot be achieved.


A possible equality case is ( a , b , c ) = ( 2 n , 1 , 2 n ) (a,b,c)=(2^{-n},1,2^n) as n n\to \infty

This corresponds to x 2 n = y = z x^{2^n}=y=z . We arbitrarily let x = 2 x=2 , so a possible equality case for x , y , z x,y,z is ( x , y , z ) = ( 2 , 2 2 n , 2 2 n ) \boxed{(x,y,z)=\left(2,2^{2^n},2^{2^n}\right)} as n n\to \infty .

In fact, any setup where x y z x \ll y\le z works. (WLOG y z y\le z )

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