Logarithm Sums

Algebra Level 3

x x and y y are positive real numbers that satisfy log x y + log y x = 17 4 \log_x y + \log_y x = \frac{17}{4} and x y = 288 3 xy = 288\sqrt{3} . If x + y = a + b c x + y = a + b\sqrt{c} , where a a , b b and c c are positive integers and c c is not divisible by the square of any prime, what is the value of a + b + c a + b + c ?


The answer is 149.

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6 solutions

Tan Kin Aun
May 20, 2014

Without loss of generality, let x < y x < y . Let log x y = n \log_x y=n , then log y x = 1 n \log_y x=\frac{1}{n} . n + 1 n = 17 4 n 2 17 4 n + 1 = 0 n+\frac{1}{n}=\frac{17}{4}\Rightarrow n^2-\frac{17}{4}n+1=0 . Using quadratic formula, we find that n = 4 n=4 (since n > 1 n>1 ). So, x y = x x 4 = x 5 = 288 3 = 248832 x = 24883 2 1 10 = 12 xy=x\cdot x^4=x^5=288\sqrt{3}=\sqrt{248832}\Rightarrow x=248832^\frac{1}{10}=\sqrt{12} . Then, y = x 4 = ( 12 ) 4 = 144 y=x^4=(\sqrt{12})^4=144 . x + y = 12 + 144 = 2 3 + 144 x+y=\sqrt{12}+144=2\sqrt{3}+144 . a + b + c = 144 + 2 + 3 = 149 a+b+c=144+2+3=149

A common minor mistake across most solutions is to claim that since log x y + log y x = 4 + 1 4 \log_x y + \log_y x = 4 + \frac {1}{4} , hence log x y = 4 \log_x y = 4 . Whenever you want to 'compare coefficients', make sure you can justify why that can be done. For example, we could have log x y = 1 4 \log_x y = \frac {1}{4} .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago

log x⁡〖y +log y⁡x=17/4〗 equation 1 xy=288√3 equation 2

If we let log_x⁡〖y=n〗

it follows that 〖log_y〗⁡〖x=1/n〗

substituting assumption to equation 1

then, n+1/n=17/4

solving for n 4n^2+4=17n 4n^2-17n+4=0 to find n=4 and n=1/4

if n is equal to 4 log_x⁡〖y=4〗 y=x^4

substituting value of y to equation 2 xy=288√3 x(x^4)=(32)(9)(3^(1/2) ) x^5=(2^5)(3^2)(3^(1/2)) x=((2^5 )(3^(5/2) ))^(1/5) x=〖(2)3〗^(1/2) x=2√3

then, y=x^4 y=(〖(2)(3^(1/2) )) 〗^4

y=(16)(9) y=144

then, x+y=a+b√c x+y=144+2√3 3 is not divisible by the square of any prime number, ∴a+b+c=149

Calvin Lin Staff
May 13, 2014

Since the equations are symmetric in x x and y y , without loss of generality let x y x \leq y . Let p = log x y p = \log_x y , so p 1 p \geq 1 . We have p + 1 p = 17 4 p + \frac{1}{p} = \frac{17}{4} . Clearing denominators and simplifying, we get 4 p 2 17 p + 4 = 0 4p^2 -17 p + 4 = 0 and this factors to ( 4 p 1 ) ( p 4 ) = 0 (4p - 1)(p - 4) = 0 . Since p 1 p \geq 1 we have p = 4 p = 4 . Thus log x y = p = 4 y = x 4 \log_x y = p = 4 \Rightarrow y = x^{4} .

Substituting y = x 4 y = x^{4} into x y = 288 3 xy = 288\sqrt{3} , we have x 5 = 288 3 = 2 5 3 5 2 x = 2 3 x^{5} = 288\sqrt{3} = 2^{5}3^{\frac{5}{2}} \Rightarrow x = 2\sqrt{3} . Thus y = 288 3 2 3 = 144 y = \frac{288\sqrt{3}}{2\sqrt{3}} = 144 . Therefore x + y = 144 + 2 3 x + y = 144 + 2\sqrt{3} . Hence a + b + c = 144 + 2 + 3 = 149 a + b + c= 144 + 2 + 3 = 149 .

Note: The initial assumption means that we have 2 solution pairs ( x , y ) = ( 2 3 , 144 ) , ( 144 , 2 3 ) (x,y) = (2\sqrt{3}, 144), (144, 2 \sqrt{3}) . The assumption isn't necessary, though it slightly simplifies the work.

\log x y + \log y x = \frac {17}{4} \log x y + \log y x = \frac {16}{4} + \frac {1} {4} Thus, x^4 = y or y^4 = x

since x and y are interchangeable, choose x^4 = y

xy = 288\sqrt{3} x \times x^4 = 288\sqrt{3} x^5 = 288\sqrt{3} x = \sqrt{12}

y= x^4 y = (\sqrt{12})^4 y= 144

x+y = \sqrt{12} + 144 x+y = 144 + \sqrt{12} x+y = 144 + 2\sqrt{3}

a= 144 b= 2 c = 3

a+b+c = 144 + 2 + 3 a+b+c = 149

Vishwesh M
Nov 29, 2015

This solution is not standard. But this is what I did: Given xy=288root3=a+brootc ==>c=3 288=72x4=144x2 Let a=72 b=4 sum=79 Let a=144 b=2 sum=149 One of these two must be answer. Brilliant gives you three attempts. You get answer in two attempts ; that too by calculating within two seconds. 😉

Siva Meesala
Oct 6, 2015

If we take Log (y) to the base x=a,then 4a^2-17a+4=0ie a=4 or 1/4.Sub a=4 in logy to the basex=4 We get y=144 and x=2×root3.x+y=144+2×root3 .then a=144,b=2,c=3.so a+b+c=149.solved☺you dont take a=1/4 because xy=288×root3.

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