Not The Mathematical Kind Of Logs

Algebra Level 2

If it takes 4 minutes to cut a log into 4 pieces, how many minutes will it take to cut a log into 3 pieces?

Assume all cuts are parallel, and cuts are done sequentially (not simultaneously).

log(3) 8 3 \frac{8}{3} 4 3

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16 solutions

Shashvat Shukla
May 1, 2014

To cut a log into 4 pieces, you use 3 cuts. To cut a log into 3 pieces, you use 2 cuts. So it will take two-thirds the time so, 2 3 × 4 = 8 3 \frac{2}{3}\times4=\frac{8}{3}

4 piece = 3 cuts= 4 min => 1 cut = 4/3 min, & 3 piece = 2 cuts => 4/3*2 min = 8/3 min......

Gaurav K Paujikeshra - 7 years, 1 month ago

Lol!! Log(3).... gd joke

preet hathi - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Of course, it's really a "natural log", but "ln(3)" hides the joke too far.

David Lewis - 5 years, 1 month ago

good fooling question

roger potter - 5 years, 5 months ago

haha yeah XD

Shashvat Shukla - 7 years, 1 month ago

Solution: => To cut the log into 4 pieces, u need 3 cuts. => It takes 4 mins for 3 cuts. i.e. 240 secs for 3 cuts. => So 80 secs for 1 cut. => To cut the log into 3 pieces u need 2 cuts. i.e. 160 secs. => And 160 secs = 8/3 mins.

Ashwin Dinesh - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Very helpful..

Kunal Gupta - 5 years, 6 months ago

Best method ; for me! makes the most sense - to me!

Dabonboza de Dabonboza - 5 years, 2 months ago

Thanks. Made sense and I understood. 👌👍

The Guy - 5 years ago

But logically, this question doesn't give enough information. It makes the assumption that you know the first log didn't take any time to get. What if the first log had to be cut from a bigger log? then it would take 3 minutes.

Dylan Hamel - 5 years, 11 months ago

So we get the proportion 4 3 x 2 , \frac{4}{3}═\frac{x}{2}, that is equivalent to 3 x 4 × 2 8 , 3x\:═\:4\times2\:═\:8, whose only solution is x 8 3 . x\:═\frac{8}{3}.

Diana Kaoba - 5 years, 5 months ago

I kinda kinda wish there was a picture explaining it..

Emma Soto - 5 years, 2 months ago

But you can cut a log into 4 pieces using 2 cuts if you cut down the length of the log starting with the circle on the end of the log in an x or t pattern. Sorry if I am unclear, I find solving problems much easier than explaining them.

William Cornette-Cook - 5 years, 2 months ago

Duh. I Wasn't awake obviously!

Alwyn W - 5 years, 1 month ago

Doesn't that depend on which direction your cuts are? Cut a log with 2 cuts in the shape on an X on the flat end and you get 4 pieces.

Robert Songer II - 5 years, 10 months ago

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In the problem says cuts are parallel

Joaquin Melendrez - 5 years, 10 months ago

But it is provided that all cuts are parallel. So all cuts (either 3 or 4 or 5 etc) will take equal time in total.

Muhammad Abdullah - 5 years, 9 months ago

thank youi

Abou Bakr El.Shorpagi - 5 years, 6 months ago

Thanks! Good logic :D

Manisha Garg - 5 years, 6 months ago

Nice answer

Sithija Abhishek - 5 years, 3 months ago

Aaahhh. Fooled me! Good question!

Casey Hyland - 5 years, 2 months ago

Thanks for explanation

Fawad Mirza - 5 years, 1 month ago

Because i do not understand perfectly English, I thought a log was like a circle ... So in my head to cut a log into 4 pieces is possible in 2 cuts ! And a log into 3 pieces needs 3 cuts ! Haha my mistake

Julien Hache - 4 years, 12 months ago

If you cut the log in half, and then cut the 2 halves simultaneously you only have 2 cuts therefore the answer could be 4 mins as you only need 2 cuts to make 3 logs

Alan Erskine - 4 years, 6 months ago

i just make a picture of log and soon after making i realize that to cut a log in 4 pieces you need 3 cuts

Anubhav Jha - 7 years, 1 month ago

For cutting the log in 4 pieces I need 2 cuts. I cut first time in 2 halves and second, after alignment, I cut both in halves again! Assume the time for alignment is the same as the time for the movement when we cut in 3 pieces!

Andi Popescu - 5 years, 10 months ago

yes this is very tricky

Somesh Kumar - 7 years, 1 month ago

To cut a log into 4 pieces in parallel you use 3 parallel cuts. Duration of each is 4 minutes. To cut a log into 3 pieces you use 2 cuts in parallel. Duration of each is 4 minutes. The answer - 4 minutes, i.e. duration of one cut.

Alex Shkotin - 5 years, 10 months ago

i thought it was 3

anim listowell - 5 years, 5 months ago

it was written all cuts are parallel. that means 1 cut takes 4 minutes.

Tushar Gupta - 7 years, 1 month ago

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All cuts are parallel in the sense every cut only gives you one more piece. They are not simultaneous, which is what would be written if each cut takes 4 minutes.

Ivan Koswara - 7 years, 1 month ago
Fila P. Toloi
May 7, 2014

This question is really tricky. 4 pieces doesn't mean anything here. What is important is the cut. It takes 4 minute to do 3 cuts so that the log will be separated into 4 pieces. So 1 cut takes 4 ÷ 3 = 4 3 4\div 3=\frac{4}{3} minutes. To cut the log into 3 pieces, then you have to do 2 cuts, which means 4 3 × 2 = 8 3 \frac { 4 }{ 3 } \times 2=\frac { 8 }{ 3 } minutes.

Here important is that how many cut which are 3 so it take 4 minutes so time for two cut 4÷3×2=8/3

radha kishan sharma - 7 years, 1 month ago

2*4/3=8/3 mints

Fazalkhaliq Rotab - 7 years, 1 month ago

Think you will find then that the 4 pieces is very important as this is how you identified you had 3 cuts as it doesn't state the number of cuts!

Allan Marriott - 5 years, 7 months ago

I get that 8/3 was the only correct option, but given that the question asks "how long" it will take to cut 3 pieces, and we know 4 pieces takes 4 minutes, the real answer here should be 2 minutes and 40 seconds.

Jared Keeling - 4 years, 6 months ago

This question is really tricky. 4 pieces doesn't mean anything here. What is important is the cut. It takes 4 minute to do 3 cuts so that the log will be separated into 4 pieces. So 1 cut takes minutes. To cut the log into 3 pieces, then you have to do 2 cuts, which means minutes.

Santanu Das - 7 years, 1 month ago

it based on how you cut the log if i consider the cut in vertically then it will take 4 min

FAYAZ SHAIK - 7 years, 1 month ago
Harikesh Yadav
May 8, 2014

4 pieces means 3 cuts. 3 pieces means 2 cuts Thus the answer is 4/3x2. = 8 / 3

Ahmed Obaiedallah
Jun 14, 2015

To obtain 4 pieces you have preform 3 cuts

Thus;

t c = t T n c \large{t_c=\frac {t_T}{n_c}}

where:

t c t_c\space :is the time of each cut

t T t_T\space : the total time of the process

n c n_c\space : number of cuts

t c = 4 3 \large{t_c=\frac43}

in case of 3 pieces

t T = n c × t c = 2 4 3 = 8 3 \large{t_T=n_c\times t_c=2*\frac43=\boxed{\color{#D61F06}{\frac83}}}

I like : OK 5 / 9

Chirag Vashist - 5 years, 10 months ago

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what do you mean by 5/9

Ahmed Obaiedallah - 5 years, 10 months ago

when we divide into 4 part we need 3 cut time for 1 cut =4/3 and for 3 part we need 2 cut time = 4*2/3=8/3

Mas Gooddo - 5 years, 7 months ago
Aswin T.S.
Feb 2, 2016

we want to cut 3 times to make 4 pieces,

time taken =4 min (to make 4 pieces)

therefore time taken for single cut = 4/3 min

for two cuts(that is to make 3 pieces) =4/3 x 2 = 8/3 min

Peter Andriszak
Jun 6, 2018

With each cut 1.33 mins went by so with 2 cut i.e. three pieces we have 2.66 or 8/3

Regla de tres. 3 cortes 4 mins, 2 cortes X mins. (2x4/3)

I'm missing something here - I might be missing something really simple, but can't understand. Isn't 8/3 bigger than 4/3? Or, in other words 8/3 min > 4/3 min. How can fewer cuts take more time?

Rafael Chiang - 4 years, 3 months ago
Junaid Thanvi
Apr 24, 2016

For 4 pieces 3 cuts are made and it takes 4 mins, so time to make 1 cut=4/3 min ATQ, WE NEED TO MAKE 2 CUTS to produce 3 pieces. Hence time required= (4/3)*2 = 8/3.

Yazan Apu-Dria
Mar 29, 2016

Each one cut =4/3 of min & 2 cuts need 2*4/3 min to make 3 pieces =>8/3

Arjun Mohan
Mar 11, 2016

3 cuts needed for making 4 pieces so each cut takes 1.33 mins. For 3 pcs, 2 cuts needed which takes 2.66 mins

It takes 4 minutes to cut 4 pieces means 3 cuts. To have 3 pieces it is required to cut 2 times. So the time takes for making 3 pieces is (4/3)*2 = (8/3)

Anuj Yadav
Oct 30, 2015

4 mins for 3 cuts , 1 cut requires 4/3 mins and 2 cut needs 8/3 mins

Allan Marriott
Oct 26, 2015

Nice trick question for those sleepy heads ....

for those trying to find a way to get round it and prove your wrong answer right, give up, the parallel and sequential stuff that idea right up (you could argue wear and tear and state the first cut of a new saw cuts the first piece in 1m 40 and the last in 1m 20 and therefore 3 pieces would be done in 3m) but your pushing your luck LOL

In this problem,I have used unitary method of problem solving. To cut a log into 4 pieces we need 3 cuts and to perform 3 cuts we 4 minutes. Therefore: 3 cuts can be performed in 4 minutes. 1 cut can be performed in 4/3 minutes. so, 2 cuts can be performed in 4/3*2=8/3 minutes

I feel I'm the only one who thought (perhaps from the picture) that the first cut was used to chop the tree down...

Damon Little - 5 years, 7 months ago

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um the word log gets you there, otherwise it would have said tree, a log is by definition a tree not in the ground i.e. a length of tree (1 piece)

Allan Marriott - 5 years, 7 months ago
Savannah Walters
Aug 27, 2015

I used a proportion to solve

4 pieces=3 cuts

3 pieces=2 cuts

4 ( m i n u t e s ) 3 ( c u t s ) \frac {4 (minutes)} {3 (cuts)} × x ( m i n u t e s ) 2 ( c u t s ) \frac {x (minutes)}{2 (cuts)}

Cross multiply to get

8 × 3x

Solve for x and you're done :)

okk! But u should full response..

Mirza Rizwan Ali - 5 years, 7 months ago
Saurabh Saurabh
Aug 16, 2015

To cut a log into 4 pieces it will require making 3 cuts. 3 cuts ~~ 4 minutes.
=> 1 cut ~~ 4/3 minutes. For making 3 pieces it will require making 2 cuts.... 2 cuts ~~ 2 * 4/3 = 8/3.

Can we not cut a log into 4 pieces using 2 cuts? The question does not specify if the cuts are horizontal or vertical...

Partha Nag - 5 years, 9 months ago

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They specified that the cuts are parallel, and to cut it in 4 pieces in 2 cuts would mean to intersect the cuts in a plus-shape.

Damon Little - 5 years, 7 months ago

you could do it in 2 cuts with parallel cuts (half and then half the half's, but 1 cut would separate two pieces at the same time and therefore technically be two cuts), and the sequential part of the problem removes that possibility

Allan Marriott - 5 years, 7 months ago

I was thinking 2 cuts for 4 pieces. You do it the log in half and position the two sections next to each other and make one cut through both sections. That how I cut lumber at the big box store. So it takes the same number of cuts for 4 and 3 sections..2 cuts. The question is ambiguous enough for that scenario to work. Thinking outside the box.

Terry J - 5 years, 2 months ago

I just need 2 cuts to cut a log in to 4 pieces. (two cuts perpendicular to each other), so it takes exactly the same time (4 minutes).

Ajithkumar Chandramouli - 4 years, 9 months ago

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