Math is Radical 4

Algebra Level 5

If 1 + 2 + 5 + 10 1 +\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{5} + \sqrt{10} = a + b + c + d \sqrt{a + \sqrt{b + \sqrt{c + \sqrt{d}}}} , where a , b , c , a, b, c, and d d are integers, find a + b + c + d . a + b + c + d.

Inspired from Math is Radical 2 .


The answer is 4246800436.

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1 solution

Rhoy Omega
Oct 21, 2014

1 + 2 + 5 + 10 1 + \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{5} + \sqrt{10}

= ( 1 + 2 + 5 + 10 ) 2 \sqrt{(1 + \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{5} + \sqrt{10})^2}

= 18 + 12 2 + 6 5 + 4 10 \sqrt{18 + 12\sqrt{2} + 6\sqrt{5} + 4\sqrt{10}}

= 28 10 + 12 2 + 6 5 + 4 10 \sqrt{28 - 10 +12\sqrt{2} + 6\sqrt{5} + 4\sqrt{10}}

= 28 + ( 10 + 12 2 + 6 5 + 4 10 ) 2 \sqrt{28 + \sqrt{(-10 +12\sqrt{2} + 6\sqrt{5} + 4\sqrt{10})^2}}

= 28 + 728 + 72 5 + 64 10 \sqrt{28 + \sqrt{728 + 72\sqrt{5} + 64\sqrt{10}}}

= 28 + 728 + ( 72 5 + 64 10 ) 2 \sqrt{28 + \sqrt{728 + \sqrt{(72\sqrt{5} + 64\sqrt{10})^2}}}

= 28 + 728 + 66880 + 4246732800 \sqrt{28 + \sqrt{728 + \sqrt{66880 + \sqrt{4246732800}}}}

DuDe, I have a doubt, just look on the 4th line from the above, from where didyou get the idea that replacing 18 with '28-10' will help in removing the 2 \sqrt{2}

jaiveer shekhawat - 6 years, 5 months ago

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First, express 18 18 as b a b - a . Then square a + 12 2 + 6 5 + 4 10 -a + 12\sqrt{2} + 6\sqrt{5} + 4\sqrt{10} , and afterwards you will obtain a 2 + 628 + ( 240 24 a ) 2 + ( 192 12 a ) 5 + ( 144 8 a ) 10 a^2 + 628 + (240 - 24a)\sqrt{2} + (192 - 12a )\sqrt{5} + (144 - 8a)\sqrt{10} . To remove the 2 \sqrt{2} , set its coefficient in the expansion, which is 240 24 a 240 - 24a , to 0 0 . That is, you will solve the linear equation 240 24 a = 0 240 - 24a = 0 for a a and get a = 10 a = 10 . Going back to b a = 18 b - a = 18 , it is then clear that b = 28 b = 28

Rhoy Omega - 6 years, 5 months ago

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Now I get it!, Thanks a lot!!!

jaiveer shekhawat - 6 years, 5 months ago

Thanks, but how to prove that your answer is unique?

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 7 months ago

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I tried to obtain other solutions by eliminating first the 5 \sqrt{5} or the 10 \sqrt{10} ; the results are, respectively, 34 + 884 44032 424673280 \sqrt{34+\sqrt{884-\sqrt{44032-\sqrt{424673280}}}} and 36 + 952 76608 + 849346560 \sqrt{36+\sqrt{952-\sqrt{76608+\sqrt{849346560}}}} . The problem with these results is that some of the radicals are preceeded by a minus sign, whereas the question specifies a representation containing only plus signs.

Ricardo Moritz Cavalcanti - 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Nice solution dude

Naman Kapoor - 6 years, 5 months ago

It is so amazing for me.

Panya Chunnanonda - 6 years, 7 months ago

what was the use of 28-10???? couldn't we o direct sqrt 12sqrt2+6sqrt5+4srt10???

madhav gupta - 6 years, 4 months ago

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The purpose of introducing 28 10 28 - 10 is to eliminate the 2 \sqrt{2} in the expansion. If we merely square 12 2 + 6 5 + 4 10 12\sqrt{2} + 6\sqrt{5} + 4\sqrt{10} , the expansion will still show a term with a 2 \sqrt{2} , since

( 12 2 + 6 5 + 4 10 ) 2 (12\sqrt{2} + 6\sqrt{5} + 4\sqrt{10})^{2} = 628 + 240 2 + 192 5 + 144 10 628 + 240\sqrt{2} + 192\sqrt{5} + 144\sqrt{10} ,

which will not help us, since in the succeeding ''squarings'', we want to eliminate the radicals 2 , 5 , a n d 10 \sqrt{2} , \sqrt{5} , and \sqrt{10} one by one.

Rhoy Omega - 6 years, 4 months ago

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