Michael's marbles

Two marbles are selected with replacement from a box containing R R red marbles and B B blue marbles. If the probability that one marble of each color is drawn is equal to 15 32 \dfrac{15}{32} , then the value of R B + B R \dfrac{R}{B} + \dfrac{B}{R} can be expressed as a b , \dfrac{a}{b}, where a a and b b are positive coprime integers. What is the value of a + b ? a+b?

This problem is posed by Michael T .


The answer is 49.

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13 solutions

Hero P.
Aug 19, 2013

The probability of drawing a red marble first and a blue marble second is R R + B B R + B = R B ( R + B ) 2 . \frac{R}{R+B} \cdot \frac{B}{R+B} = \frac{RB}{(R+B)^2}. This is also the probability of drawing a blue marble first and a red marble second. So the probability of drawing one marble of each color is 2 R B ( R + B ) 2 = 15 32 . \frac{2RB}{(R+B)^2} = \frac{15}{32}. Now note that R B + B R = R 2 + B 2 R B = ( R + B ) 2 2 R B R B = 2 ( R + B ) 2 2 R B 2 = 2 32 15 2 = 34 15 . \begin{aligned} \frac{R}{B} + \frac{B}{R} &= \frac{R^2+B^2}{RB} \\ &= \frac{(R+B)^2 - 2RB}{RB} \\ &= 2 \frac{(R+B)^2}{2RB} - 2 \\ &= 2 \cdot \frac{32}{15} - 2 = \frac{34}{15}. \end{aligned} Therefore, a + b = 34 + 15 = 49 . a + b = 34 + 15 = \boxed{49}.

Note that the values of R R and B B are not uniquely determined by the conditions of the problem. In particular, explicitly solving the quadratic relation in R , B R, B yields R / B = 3 / 5 R/B = 3/5 or R / B = 5 / 3 R/B = 5/3 .

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jinay patel - 7 years, 9 months ago
Daniel Cabrales
Aug 19, 2013

We are asked to find the value of R B + B R \frac{R}{B} + \frac{B}{R} . By expressing as one fraction.

R 2 + B 2 R B \frac{R^{2} + B^{2}}{RB}

We can express the probability of the each marble of different color be drawn as, R B ( R + B ) 2 \frac{RB}{(R + B)^{2}} and if you picked the blue marble first, B R ( R + B ) 2 \frac{BR}{(R + B)^{2}} . Since the events above are independent of each other, adding them will lead to the probability stated in the problem.

From the given:

2 R B ( R + B ) 2 = 15 32 \frac{2RB}{(R + B)^{2}} = \frac{15}{32}

by cross multiplication:

64 R B = 15 ( R + B ) 2 64 RB = 15(R+B)^{2}

64 R B = 15 R 2 + 30 R B + 15 B 2 64 RB = 15R^{2} + 30RB + 15B^{2}

34 R B = 15 ( R 2 + B 2 ) 34 RB = 15(R^{2} + B^{2})

Which can be expressed as in the ratios as above.

34 15 = R 2 + B 2 R B \frac{34}{15} = \frac{R^{2} + B^{2}}{RB}

Therefore, 34 + 15 = 49 34 + 15 = 49

This is how i did it also. It slightly resembles an 2013 AIME I problem (#3? the geometry question).

Sameer L. - 7 years, 9 months ago
Matt Mistele
Aug 19, 2013

First, it's helpful to rewrite R B + B R \frac{R}{B} + \frac{B}{R} as R 2 + B 2 R B \frac{R^2 + B^2}{RB} .

Next, we set up an equation for the probability of drawing one marble of each color:

2 R R + B B R + B = 2 R B ( R + B ) 2 = 15 32 2*\frac{R}{R+B}*\frac{B}{R+B} = \frac{2RB}{(R+B)^2} = \frac{15}{32}

Cross-multiply to get 64 R B = 15 R 2 + 30 R B + 15 B 2 64RB = 15R^2 + 30RB + 15B^2 , or 34 R B = 15 ( R 2 + B 2 ) 34RB = 15(R^2 + B^2) .

Divide both sides by 15 R B 15RB , and you get R 2 + B 2 R B = 34 15 \frac{R^2 + B^2}{RB} = \frac{34}{15} , so a + b = 49 a+b=49 .

The total number of marbles in the box is clearly B + R B+R . Because we are working with replacement, the probability that one marble of each color is drawn is ( 2 1 ) B B + R R B + R \binom{2}{1}\frac{B}{B+R}\frac{R}{B+R} , since there are ( 2 1 ) \binom{2}{1} ways of picking which marble you draw out first, the probability you pick a blue marble is B B + R \frac{B}{B+R} , and the probability you pick a red marble is R B + R \frac{R}{B+R} . This gives us that 2 B R ( B + R ) 2 = 15 32 \frac{2BR}{(B+R)^2} = \frac{15}{32} .

We cross-multiply to get that 64 B R = 15 B 2 + 30 B R + 15 R 2 64BR = 15B^2 + 30BR + 15R^2 . Combining like terms and dividing through by 15 B R 15BR gives us that 34 15 = B 2 + R 2 B R = B R + R B \frac{34}{15} = \frac{B^2+R^2}{BR} = \frac{B}{R} + \frac{R}{B} . Thus, our desired quantity is 15 + 34 = 49 15 + 34 = \fbox{49} .

Sean Elliott
Aug 19, 2013

We first calculate the probability P P of drawing a red marble and a blue marble. We find

P = ( R R + B ) ( B R + B ) + ( B R + B ) ( R R + B ) = 15 32 R B R 2 + B 2 + 2 R B = 15 64 P=(\frac{R}{R+B})(\frac{B}{R+B})+(\frac{B}{R+B})(\frac{R}{R+B})=\frac{15}{32}\rightarrow \frac{R\cdot B}{R^2+B^2+2R\cdot B}=\frac{15}{64}

We are looking for R B + B R \frac{R}{B}+\frac{B}{R} ; this can be simplified to R 2 + B 2 R B \frac{R^2+B^2}{R\cdot B} . This is similar to our expression for P P , so we try to simplify that expression:

R B R 2 + B 2 + 2 R B = 15 64 64 15 = R 2 + B 2 + 2 R B R B \frac{R\cdot B}{R^2+B^2+2R\cdot B}=\frac{15}{64}\rightarrow\frac{64}{15}=\frac{R^2+B^2+2R\cdot B}{R\cdot B}

So now we have

64 15 = a b + 2 R B R B \frac{64}{15}=\frac{a}{b}+\frac{2R\cdot B}{R\cdot B}

where a a and b b are the constants we are told to find. This implies

34 15 = a b \frac{34}{15}=\frac{a}{b} .

34 34 and 15 15 are coprime, so our answer is 34 + 15 = 49 34+15=\boxed{49}

Zi Xiang Pan
Aug 18, 2013

total number of marbles = R+B

so chance of drawing one of each with replacement is R/(R+B) * B/(R+B)+B/(R+B) * R/(R+B)=15/32

we have RB/(R+B)^2=15/64

we can deduce R=3 and B=5

R/B+B/R=3/5+5/3=34/15

hence the answer is 34+15=49

Actually knowing "RB/(R+B)^2=15/64" is enough. Because then we know ( R + B ) 2 R B = 64 15 \frac{(R+B)^{2}}{RB} = \frac{64}{15} . And we need to find : R B + B R = R 2 + B 2 R B = ( R + B ) 2 R B 2 \frac{R}{B} + \frac{B}{R} = \frac{R^{2}+B^{2}}{RB} = \frac{(R+B)^{2}}{RB} - 2

Then anser is : 64 15 2 = 34 15 \frac{64}{15} - 2 = \frac{34}{15}

Viktor Arkhipov - 7 years, 9 months ago

I bet you can find a way to do this without actually finding R and B.

Michael Tang - 7 years, 9 months ago

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Fluffyanimal AoPS - 7 years, 9 months ago
Venkatesan Iyer
Aug 24, 2013

Probability of getting two Reds = (R/(R+B))*(R/(R+B))

Probability of getting two Blues = (B/(R+B))*(B/(R+B))

Probability of getting one Red and one Blue

1- [( R R + B B)/ (R+B)*(R+B)]

= [(R+B)(R+B) - (R R + B B)]/[(R+B)(R+B)]

= 2 R B/[(R+B)*(R+B)] = 15/32 = 2. 15/ [(5+3)(5+3)]

So R/B + B/R = (5/3) + (3//5)

             = 34/15 = a/b

a+b= 34+25 =49

Clearly, Required probability = 2 ( R R + B ) ( B R + B ) = 15 32 ( R + B ) 2 R B = 64 15 R 2 + B 2 + 2 R B R B = 64 15 R B + B R + 2 = 64 15 R B + B R = 34 15 = a b a + b = 49 2(\frac{R}{R + B})(\frac{B}{R + B}) = \frac{15}{32} \\ \Rightarrow \frac{(R + B)^2}{RB} = \frac{64}{15} \\ \Rightarrow \frac{R^2 +B^2 + 2RB}{RB} = \frac{64}{15} \\ \Rightarrow \frac{R}{B} +\frac{B}{R} + 2 = \frac{64}{15} \\ \Rightarrow \frac{R}{B} +\frac{B}{R} = \frac{34}{15} = \frac{a}{b} \\ \Rightarrow a + b = 49

Rithvik Pasumarty
Aug 21, 2013

We know that if we want to select two different colored marbles, We can have first, a red marble R R and then we can have a blue marble B B or we can have a blue marble B B and then a red marble R R . So we get the probability that the two marbles drawn are different as 2 R R + B B R + B = 2 R B R 2 + 2 R B + B 2 = 15 32 . 2\cdot\frac{R}{R+B}\cdot\frac{B}{R+B}=\frac{2RB}{R^2+2RB+B^2}=\frac{15}{32}. Now we see that we have 2 R B = 15 , 2RB=15, thus R 2 + B 2 = 32 15 = 17. R^2+B^2=32-15=17. (Note that these aren't necessarily the values of R R and B B but these will still give us the right answer since the ratios are still all the same.)

We notice that we can express R B + B R \frac{R}{B}+\frac{B}{R} as R 2 + B 2 R B . \frac{R^2+B^2}{RB}. Right here we recall that we have R 2 + B 2 = 17 R^2+B^2=17 and we also have 2 R B = 15 2RB=15 thus R B = 15 2 . RB=\frac{15}{2}. So R B + B R = 34 15 \frac{R}{B}+\frac{B}{R}=\frac{34}{15}

Now we finally have found our answer of a + b = 49 a+b=\boxed {49}

Harrison Lian
Aug 21, 2013

Let r be the probability of choosing a red marble and b be the probability of choosing a blue marble. the probability of choosing both can be split into two cases, where both of them are r b rb . Therefore, 2 r b = 15 32 r b = 15 64 2rb=\frac{15}{32} \implies rb=\frac{15}{64} .

We also know that r + b = 1 r+b=1 , so a little guess and check leaves us with r = 5 8 and b = 3 8 r=\frac{5}{8} \text{and} b=\frac{3}{8} . Note that we can switch around the values because of the question. From here, we can say there are 5 red marbles and 3 blue marbles, or 3 red marbles and 5 blue marbles.

Either way the answer is still 5 3 + 3 5 = 34 15 49 \frac{5}{3}+\frac{3}{5}=\frac{34}{15} \implies \boxed{49}

2[RB/(R+B)^2]=15/32

[RB/(R+B)^2]=15/64

[RB/(R+B)^2]=(3*5)/(3+5)^2

Thus, R=3 and B=5, or R=5 and B=3.

R/B+B/R=3/5+5/3=34/15=a/b

Therefore, a+b=49

sorry, it's R=3k and B=5k,or R=5k and B=3k, where k is a positive integer.

Kim Arvin Leocadio - 7 years, 9 months ago
Ruslan Abdulgani
Aug 20, 2013

The probability that one marble of each color is drawn is equal to 2(R)(B)/(R+B)^2 = 15/32, or (R)(B)/(R+B)^2 = 15/64, R/B + B/R = (R^2+B^2)/(B R) = (R+B)^2 / (B R) - 2 = 64/15 - 2 = 34/15. So a+b = 49

2BR/(B+R)^2=15/32. So (B+R)^2/BR=(B^2+R^2)/RB + 2 = 64/15.

Means that R/B + B/R = 64/15 - 2 = 34/15.

So a+b=34+15=49.

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