Mind Boggling Bullseye Part 2

The dartboard in the diagram consists of an infinite number of concentric circles. Each successively smaller circle has 3 4 \frac{3}{4} the radius of the preceding, larger circle.

A dart is thrown somewhere on the dartboard (striking uniformly at random over the entire area of the dartboard).

To 2 decimal places, what is the probability it strikes black? Assume the point of the dart is one-dimensional.


The answer is 0.64.

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8 solutions

Andy Hayes
Jul 20, 2017

Consider the area enclosed by the largest white circle. If you scaled up this area to fill the dartboard, then this new area would look exactly like the old dartboard with the colors reversed.

Now consider that since this area (enclosed by the largest white circle) is 3 4 \frac{3}{4} the radius of the entire dartboard, it is ( 3 4 ) 2 = 9 16 \left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^2=\frac{9}{16} the area of the entire dartboard. We can conclude that the total white area is 9 16 \frac{9}{16} as large as the total black area. And so, the probability that the dart strikes white is 9 16 \frac{9}{16} the probability that the dart strikes black.

Let p p be the probability that the dart strikes black. Then,

p + 9 16 p = 1 p = 16 25 \begin{aligned} p+\frac{9}{16}p &= 1 \\ p &= \frac{16}{25} \end{aligned}

Thus, the probability that the dart strikes black is 16 25 = 0.64 . \frac{16}{25}=\boxed{0.64}.

I think your solution is amazingly simple but can you walk me through how you can conclude that the total white area is 9/16 that of the black area?

Bill Dao-aroonkiet - 3 years, 10 months ago

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Think about it in the otherway: What is the relationship between the radius between 2 successive circles?

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 10 months ago

The key argument in my solution is that the black areas and white areas are similar. That is, they are the same shape but different sizes. I can make this argument because there is a common ratio between the radii of the circles. Then, the next important observation is that area of similar shapes is directly proportional to the square of distance (regardless of the shape of those objects). Then we can conclude that the white area is ( 3 4 ) 2 = 9 16 \left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^2=\frac{9}{16} the area of the black area. And finally, if the entire area of the dartboard is 1 , 1, then the areas must sum to 1. 1.

Andy Hayes - 3 years, 10 months ago

As the question never provides information on the thickness of each circle's line, I don't see how it's possible to solve it!

Dvir Gassner - 3 years, 10 months ago

The problem is that you're assuming an infinitely small dart head. Since the strict wording of the problem is "strikes black", a dart whose head is centered on white but is of sufficient circumference to touch black, would technically have struck black. This becomes even more obvious as you approach the center, where it becomes impossible for even a fine tipped dart to strike no black. The real question is at what dart circumference does the probability at two decimal precision become .65?

Daniel Thompson - 3 years, 10 months ago

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Thanks for pointing this out. I've added the assumption that the dart's point is one-dimensional.

Andy Hayes - 3 years, 10 months ago

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It should be zero-dimensional because a one-dimensional thing is a line and you can't throw a dart and get the result of a line.

CHIN KEE HAW - 3 years, 5 months ago

I think you should've used the term ring instead of the circle as the thickness of circle is the entire radius, whereas for the ring thickness or breadth is measured in difference of radii

Iqbal Mohammad - 3 years, 10 months ago

Hi where did the 16/25 come from? why did you move 16 above and added 16+9=25

Tom Mullikin - 3 years, 10 months ago

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p + 9 16 p = 1 16 16 p + 9 16 p = 1 25 16 p = 1 ( 16 25 ) 25 16 p = ( 16 25 ) 1 p = 16 25 \begin{aligned} p+\frac{9}{16}p &= 1 \\ \frac{16}{16}p+\frac{9}{16}p &= 1 \\ \frac{25}{16}p &= 1 \\ \left(\frac{16}{25}\right) \frac{25}{16}p &= \left(\frac{16}{25}\right) 1 \\ p &= \frac{16}{25} \end{aligned}

Andy Hayes - 3 years, 10 months ago
Sundar R
Jul 24, 2017

Let the Radius of the white circle annulus at the ith stage be Ri. The radius of the adjoining black circle/annulus would be 3 Ri/4. The area of the ith stage annulus = pi [Ri^2 - (3*Ri/4)^2]

= pi [Ri^2-9Ri^2/16] =pi 7Ri^2/16 So, the sum of the area of the white annuli = pi*7/16[R1^2 + R2^2 +..........Ri^2 + .........] Since what we need is the relative area, the radius of the outer circle can be assumed to be 1 without loss of generality. Also, the factor of pi would drop off.

The radius of the first circle would be 3/4. The radius of the second white circle would be (3/4) * (9/16) (essentially 3/4 * 3/4 because of the alternating black circle):. The radius of the third white circle would be equal to (9/16) * (9/16) * (3/4) and so on....

So, the areas would be proportional to (7/16) [(3/4)^2 + ((9/16) (3/4)^2 + ([9/16]^2*3/4)^2 +......]

This is an infinite geometric progression with starting term (3/4)^2 and common ratio (9/16)^2. Hence, the sum of the infinite sequence of white annuli = (7/16) * [(3/4)^2 / ([1-(9/16)^2]] = (7/16) * (9/16)/(1 - (81/256)) = (7/16) * [(9/16)/ (175/256)] = 7 / 16 * [144/175] = 63/175 So, the area of the black annuli would be 1-(63/175) = 112/175 = 0.64 which is the req probability

The whole black area is:

B = π R 2 π [ 3 4 R ] 2 + π [ ( 3 4 ) 2 R ] 2 π [ ( 3 4 ) 3 R ] 2 + . . . B=\pi R^{2}-\pi\left[\frac{3}{4}R\right]^{2}+\pi\left[\left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^{2}R\right]^{2}-\pi\left[\left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^{3}R\right]^{2}+ ...

Extracting the common factor π R 2 \pi R^{2} we would have:

B = π R 2 [ 1 ( 3 4 ) 2 + ( 3 4 ) 4 ( 3 4 ) 6 . . . ] B=\pi R^{2}\left[1-\left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^{2}+\left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^{4}-\left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^{6}...\right]

The whole dartboard area is:

C = π R 2 C=\pi R^{2}

The probability to hit on the black area is p = B C p=\frac{B}{C}

So: p = 1 ( 3 4 ) 2 + ( 3 4 ) 4 ( 3 4 ) 6 . . . p=1-\left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^{2}+\left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^{4}-\left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^{6}...

Which is a geometric progression with common ratio r = ( 3 4 ) 2 r=-\left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^{2}

So p = 1 1 r = 1 1 + ( 3 4 ) 2 = 0.64 p = \frac{1}{1-r}=\frac{1}{1+\left(\frac{3}{4}\right)^{2}}=0.64

Richard Desper
Jul 26, 2017

Consider the outer black ring and the outer white ring. The ratio of their areas is 16 : 9 16:9 . Thus, if we condition our probability on the dart landing in the union of these two rings, the probability of hitting black is 16 / 25 = 0.64 16/25 = 0.64 .

Let B i B_i be the ith black ring and W i W_i be the ith white ring, with U i U_i their union. Then the same argument for U 1 U_1 repeated for all i will show a conditional probability P [ B i U i ] = 0.64 P[B_i|U_i] =0.64 .

Let p i p_i be the probability of landing in U i U_i The total probability of landing in the black is i P [ U i ] P [ B i U i ] = i ( p i 0.64 ) = 0.64 i p i = 0.64 \sum_i P[U_i] * P[B_i|U_i] = \sum_i (p_i 0.64) = 0.64 \sum_i p_i = 0.64 .

David Stephens
Jul 25, 2017

The area within each circle is 9/16 the area within the preceding larger one. To hit black, you are working out the area of large black - large white + 2nd largest black - 2nd largest white + ... (note the alternating signs). This is the series 1 - 9/16 + (9/16)^2 - (9/16)^3 + ..., a geometric series with common ratio 9/16.

Put this into 1/(1-r) and you get the answer 16/25 = 0.64

Uros Stojkovic
Jul 24, 2017

Strategy for solving this could be to divide a black area by the whole area. Notice that area of black area corresponds to following geometric progression:

R 2 π ( 3 4 ) 2 R 2 π + ( 3 4 ) 4 R 2 . . . = R 2 π 1 + 9 16 = 16 R 2 π 25 R^{2}\pi-(\frac{3}{4})^{2}R^{2}\pi+(\frac{3}{4})^{4}R^{2}-...=\frac{R^{2}\pi}{1+\frac{9}{16}}=\frac{16R^{2}\pi}{25}

Now, the probability is 16 R 2 π 25 R 2 π = 16 25 = 0.64 \frac{\tfrac{16R^{2}\pi}{25}}{R^{2}\pi}=\frac{16}{25}=0.64

Adam Abader
Jul 24, 2017

Holy cow!!! First time I solved an infinite type of question!!! It's so exciting!!! And I leveled up in Discrete Maths!!! XD

Well done! Keep leveling up in all topics! Right now, I'm doing it for the physics topics too!

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 10 months ago

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