Minimario's diagonal

Geometry Level 2

Let A B C D ABCD be a square with side length 2 2 and let X X be a point outside the square such that X A = X B = 2 XA=XB=\sqrt 2 . The length of the longest diagonal in pentagon A X B C D AXBCD can be expressed as x \sqrt{x} . What is the value of x x ?

This problem is posed by Minimario M.


The answer is 10.

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18 solutions

As we see on the picture, there are two diagonals A C = B D AC = BD and C X = D X . CX = DX. Let find the length of diagonal A C AC and C X CX by using Pythagorean Theorem

A C 2 = A B 2 + B C 2 = 2 2 + 2 2 = 8 AC^2 = AB^2 + BC^2 = 2^2 + 2^2 = 8

A C = 8 ∴ AC = \sqrt{8}

Let B B' be a point so A B AB' and B X B'X is perpendicular, then we found that B B = B X = 1. BB' = B'X = 1.

C X 2 = ( A B + B B ) 2 + B X 2 = ( 2 + 1 ) 2 + 1 2 = 10 CX^2 = (AB + BB')^2 + B'X^2 = (2 + 1)^2 + 1^2 = 10

C X = 10 ∴ CX = \sqrt{10}

Since A C < C X , AC < CX, then the longest diagonal is C X = 10 CX = \sqrt{10} imply x = 10. x = 10.

Moderator note:

Good approach. We need to calculate the various lengths, in order to conclude what the maximum length is. This is a common oversight made by many solutions below.

Note that if A B C D ABCD is not a square, it need not be true that X C > C B XC > CB . Think of a very skinny rectangle.

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Imad Fatimy - 7 years, 10 months ago
Andrias Meisyal
Jul 29, 2013

The longest diagonal of pentagon A X B C D AXBCD is the line D X DX and C X CX (Check this out about diagonal ), where they have same length. Then, we denote the length of them as k k . Finding k k , we get the new triagle A X D AXD or B X C BXC , in here, I assume that, I choose the triagle B X C BXC , actually both of A X D AXD and B X C BXC same.

Then, look the triangle B X C BXC , you get the side, B C BC = 2 2 , B X BX = 2 \sqrt{2} , and C X CX is the longest diagonal which we have to find it as k k . Get the x x using Law of Cosines . But, We have to know the angle of C B X CBX to get k k . We know that is 13 5 135^{\circ} . How? We know that from A B C + A B X \angle ABC + \angle ABX = 9 0 + 4 5 90^{\circ} + 45^{\circ} . Finally, using Law of Cosines :

c o s 13 5 cos 135^{\circ} = B X 2 + B C 2 k 2 2. B X . B C \frac{BX^{2} + BC^{2} - k^{2}}{2.BX.BC}

You must get the k k as well as C X CX , the longest diagonal of the pentagon is 10 \sqrt{10} , so x x = 10 10 .

Using pythagoren formula is more simple while i like to see your solution

Hafizh Ahsan Permana - 7 years, 10 months ago

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Yes, you're right.

Andrias Meisyal - 7 years, 10 months ago

we use the same solution :)

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Vikash Kumar
Jul 29, 2013

Let the mid point of AB is M. Then AM=M=1. Mid point of CD is N.Then CN =ND=1; so MN=2 & XM=1.hence the longest diagonal is XC or XD of length= XN^2+NC^2=10^1/2 . so,x=10.

AM=MB=1

Vikash Kumar - 7 years, 10 months ago

very good method, didn't think of it before..

harimohan jha - 7 years, 10 months ago
Eric Edwards
Jul 28, 2013

Center Cartesian coordinates at A. Then D is at (0,2) and X is at (1,-1) since AXB is isosceles. Thus, DA has length 3 2 + 1 2 = 10 \sqrt{3^2 + 1^2} = \sqrt{10} .

Woah i posted my solution and then saw yours, which is almost the same.

Chris Quinones - 7 years, 10 months ago
Kenneth Cajefe
Aug 2, 2013

The longest diagonal are DX and CX.

DX or CX= √(3²+1²)

=√10

the longest diagonal can be express as √x, therefore x=10

Tjandra Gunawan
Jul 29, 2013

longest diagonal= line CX and line DX I'll choose line DX D X 2 = D A 2 + A X 2 2 ( D A ) ( A X ) c o s ( D A X ) DX^{2}=DA^{2}+AX^{2}-2 (DA) (AX) cos(DAX) D A = 2 DA=2 and A X = 2 AX=\sqrt{2} let O=midpoint between A and B A O = A B 2 = 2 2 = 1 AO=\frac{AB}{2}=\frac{2}{2}=1 O X 2 = A X 2 A O 2 = ( 2 ) 2 1 2 = 2 1 1 OX^{2}=AX^{2}-AO{2}=(\sqrt{2})^{2}-1^{2}=2-1-1 so O X = 1 OX=1 O A X = a r c t a n O X A O = a r c t a n ( 1 1 ) = 45 OAX=arc tan \frac{OX}{AO}=arc tan(\frac{1}{1})=45 degree D A X = 90 + O A X = 90 + 45 = 135 DAX=90 + OAX = 90 + 45 = 135 degree c o s D A X = c o s 135 = 1 2 cos DAX= cos 135 = -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} D X 2 = D A 2 + A X 2 2 ( D A ) ( A X ) c o s ( D A X ) = 2 2 + ( 2 ) 2 4 2 1 2 DX^{2}=DA^{2}+AX^{2}-2 (DA) (AX) cos(DAX)=2^{2}+(\sqrt{2})^{2}-4\sqrt{2}\frac{-1}{\sqrt{2}} D X 2 = 4 + 2 + 4 = 10 DX^{2}=4+2+4=10 so the answer is 10 10

Tran Trung Nguyen
Jul 29, 2013
  • DX is the longest diagonal in pentagon AXBCD.
  • We have AX= BX= √2 and AB=2, so ABX is the right-angled and isosceles triangle at X.
  • Let E be the midpoint of AB and F be the midpoint of CD. => XF^2 = AX^2-AF^2 => XF=1.
  • And EF is parallel with AD and BC, so AD=EF=2.
  • We have EX=FX+EF=1+2=3.
  • E is the midpoint of DC, so DE=DC/2=1.
  • According to Pythagoras theory, we have DX^2 = XE^2 + DE^2 = 3^2 +1^2 = 10. => DX = √10
Ivan Sekovanić
Jul 29, 2013

To begin with, let us notice a few things about the triangle A B X ABX . We know that the height h h of it drawn towards its side A B AB (intersecting into a point N N ) divides A B AB into 2 2 equal parts, each having a value of 1 1 . Now, we are aware that B X = A X = 2 BX=AX=\sqrt{2} . Thus, we can easily find the height of A B X ABX by using the Pythagorean Theorem, resulting in h = 1 h=1 . This shows us that the triangles A N X ANX and B N X BNX are both isosceles, as well as right triangles. Therefore, it is obvious that both angles A B X ABX and B A X BAX equal 4 5 45^{\circ} .

Now let us turn our attention to the diagonals of the square A B C D ABCD . We can see that A C = B D = 2 2 AC=BD=2\sqrt{2} . We also know that the angles B A C BAC and A B D ABD both equal 4 5 45^{\circ} as well, since the diagonals of a square split its angles exactly in half.

From all this we may also notice that the angles X A C XAC and X B C XBC are 9 0 90^{\circ} ( 4 5 + 4 5 ) (45^{\circ}+45^{\circ}) .

The diagonals we are actually looking for are X D XD and X C XC , which both happen to be the hypotenuses of the right triangles X A C XAC and X B D XBD . Now, by using the Pythagorean Theorem once more we can easily find that X D = X C = 10 XD=XC=\sqrt{10} .

Since we know that x = 10 \sqrt{x}=\sqrt{10} we can easily find that x = 10 x=10 , which is the correct answer to the problem.

Murillo Arruda
Jul 28, 2013

The triangle ABC is rectangular. So  = 135°. By law off cosines: DX² = DA² + AX² - 2DA AX cos135 So, x = DX² = 10.

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Murillo Arruda - 7 years, 10 months ago

use LaTex

Snehdeep Arora - 7 years, 10 months ago
Shafi Ahmed
Aug 2, 2013

use a xy coordinate system taking origin at X. now find the coordinate of point D that is (-1,3). now from distance formula find the length of line XD. XD = [ (3-0)^2 + (-1-0)^2 ]^0.5 = (10)^0.5 = (x)^0.5 this implies x=10.

Omar Obeya
Aug 2, 2013

Obviously, the answer is the length of XD First let's calculate the perpendicular distance from X to AB: let F be a AB midpoint (XF = 1) since XA = XB therefore XF is perpendicualr on AB XF^2 = XA^2 - AF^2 = 2 - 1 XF = 1

Now we need to calculate XD: perpendicular distance from X to DC (V)= AF + AD = 1+2 = 3 perpendicular distance from X to AD (H)= AF = 1 XD^2 = V^2 + H^2 XD^2 = 10 XD equal square root 10

Chris Quinones
Aug 1, 2013

By assigning x and y coordinates to point D, A, and X, the distance formula can find X^(1/2). D can be the origin, (0,0), and since side DA is length 2, then A can be (0,-2). An altitude drawn from side AB is drawn from the midpoint of AB, which is length 2 again, so the x coordinate of X is 1. By Pythagorean's theorem, 1^2+1^2=c^2, and c=2^(1/2), so the y coordinate of X is A's -2-1, or -3. Then, by the distance formula, ((0-1)^2+(0-3)^2)^(1/2)=(1+9)^1/2=(10)^1/2. X is then 10.

Choy Prieto
Jul 31, 2013

By Pythagoras you get the diagonal of the square is sqrt(8)=2sqrt(2) which is double XA. By drawing a second square right below the one drawn, and by drawing the diagonal you are asked for (DX) a rectangle square is formed with sides 3 and 1.

Jiunn Shan Tan
Jul 31, 2013

Draw a line DX

DAB = 90 degree

Draw a line perpendicular to AB from X and label Z

XZ = 1

Since ABX is isosceles triangle , so , XAZ is 45 degree

@ = angle DAX

Use cosine formula as

c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2ab cos @

c^2 = (2)^2 + (sqrt 2)^2 - 2(2) (sqrt 2) cos @ = 10

Kho Yen Hong
Jul 31, 2013

it is easily see that XC or XD is the longest diagonal of the pentagon
from the side of XA, XB and AB, we found that XAB is a right-angled triangle ie. <AXB=90 ( ( 2 2 \sqrt (2 *\sqrt2 ^2)\=2)
then we get <XBC=135
by using cosine rule, let XC=√x
x=2^2 +(\sqrt2) ^2 -2(2)(√2)cos 135 x=10



Moderator note:

Why must X C / X D XC/XD be the longest diagonal? How do you know immediately that X C > C B XC > CB ?

Connor Lehman
Jul 29, 2013

For this one, you will need to think outside the box, er, triangle. Using the information given, it is possible to determine that Triangle AXB is a 45-45-90 when split in half (we'll call that point y). The length of segment YB is 1 and so must be segment XY. We then add the length of CB and XY (making a segment down the pentagon with a length of 3). Finally we make a diagonal line from X to C. From there, all you do is use the Pythagorean Theorem to find the length of XC.

Jerry Yu
Jul 29, 2013

Let E be the midpoint AB. Triangle AEX is a right triangle with lengths 1, s q r t ( 2 ) sqrt(2) , and EX. Solving for EX (using Pythagorean theorem or special triangles) gives us a length of 1

The longest diagonal is DX ( or CX) because it is longer than the diagonal of a square.

Let F be the midpoint of DC. We form a right triangle DFX with lengths DF=1, FX=FE+EX=2+1=3, and DX.

Solving for DX (using Pythagorean theorem) gives us s q r t ( 10 ) sqrt(10) , thus x=10

Akshaj Kadaveru
Jul 28, 2013

It is clear that our longest diagonal is D X = C X = 1 2 + 3 2 = 10 DX = CX = \sqrt{1^2 + 3^2} = \sqrt{\boxed{10}} . \blacksquare

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