Minimario's triangle

Geometry Level 4

In triangle A B C \triangle ABC , A B = 28 , B C = 25 AB = 28, BC = 25 , and A C = 17 AC = 17 . Find the diameter of the semicircle inscribed in A B C \triangle ABC tangent to A C AC and B C BC whose diameter lies on A B AB .

This problem is posed by Minimario M .


The answer is 20.

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31 solutions

Roy Zhao
Jul 29, 2013

Let O be the center of the semicircle. The area of triangle ABC can be represented as the area of triangle OBC + triangle AOC. The area of these triangles is base*height or B C R 2 \dfrac{BC\cdot R}{2} and A C R 2 \dfrac{AC\cdot R}{2} where R is the radius of the semicircle. Thus [ A B C ] = ( 25 + 17 ) R 2 = 21 R [ABC]=\dfrac{(25+17)R}{2}=21R

Using Heron's Formula, [ A B C ] = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) = 35 7 10 18 = 5 6 7 = 21 R R = 10 [ABC]=\sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}=\sqrt{35\cdot7\cdot10\cdot18}=5\cdot6\cdot7=21R\\\Rightarrow R=10 Therefore the diameter is 20 \boxed{20}

good man!!

Mayank Gupta - 7 years, 10 months ago

great method and one of the shortest !!

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 7 months ago

what the... i don't know that heron's formula.. i'm just a kid.

Jeffer Dave Cagubcob - 7 years, 10 months ago

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Heron's formula is a way to find the area of a triangle based on the lengths of its sides (as is pretty evident above). Here's an elementary proof of it.

Tanishq Aggarwal - 7 years, 10 months ago
Jimmy Kariznov
Jul 28, 2013

We find the area of Δ A B C \Delta ABC , denoted [ Δ A B C ] [\Delta ABC] in two ways.

Method 1: Since a 28 25 17 28-25-17 triangle is a 8 15 17 8-15-17 right triangle glued to a 15 20 25 15-20-25 right triangle along the 15 15 edge, we have

[ Δ A B C ] = 1 2 15 8 + 1 2 15 20 = 210 [\Delta ABC] = \dfrac{1}{2} \cdot 15 \cdot 8 + \dfrac{1}{2} \cdot 15 \cdot 20 = 210 .

Method 2: Draw a picture of Δ A B C \Delta ABC along with the semicircle. Let X X be the center of the semicircle. Let r r be the radius of the semicircle. Draw in two radii from X X to the tangency points on A C AC and B C BC .

Since Δ A C X \Delta ACX has a base of A C = 17 AC = 17 and a height of r r , [ Δ A C X ] = 1 2 17 r = 17 2 r [\Delta ACX] = \dfrac{1}{2} \cdot 17 \cdot r = \dfrac{17}{2}r .

Since Δ B C X \Delta BCX has a base of B C = 25 BC = 25 and a height of r r , [ Δ B C X ] = 1 2 25 r = 25 2 r [\Delta BCX] = \dfrac{1}{2} \cdot 25 \cdot r = \dfrac{25}{2}r .

Since Δ A C X \Delta ACX and Δ B C X \Delta BCX join to form Δ A B C \Delta ABC , we have [ Δ A B C ] = [ Δ A C X ] + [ Δ B C X ] = 17 2 r + 25 2 r = 21 r [\Delta ABC] = [\Delta ACX] + [\Delta BCX] = \dfrac{17}{2}r + \dfrac{25}{2}r = 21r .

However, both methods must yield the same value of [ Δ A B C ] [\Delta ABC] .

Therefore, 21 r = 210 r = 10 21r = 210 \leadsto r = 10 , and so, the diameter is 2 r = 20 2r = \boxed{20} .

Moderator note:

Nice different approaches to calculating the area of the triangle. I'm glad that someone recognized Method 1.

Man the first method is TOTALLY ROCKING!!!!!

Piyal De - 7 years, 10 months ago

Wow i didn't realized the fist method

Rindell Mabunga - 7 years, 10 months ago

first method is great

Snehdeep Arora - 7 years, 10 months ago
Aaron Aquino
Jul 29, 2013

Let O be the center of the semicircle with radius r, and D and E the points of tangency at BC and AC, respectively. Applying Heron's Formula, with semiperimeter s = 35 , s = 35,

A A B C = 35 ( 35 28 ) ( 35 25 ) ( 35 17 ) = 210. A_{ABC} = \sqrt{35(35-28)(35-25)(35-17)} = 210.

A A O C = 1 2 A C × r = 17 r 2 A_{AOC} =\frac12AC\times r = \frac{17r}{2}

A B O C = 1 2 B C × r = 25 r 2 A_{BOC} =\frac12BC\times r = \frac{25r}{2}

A A B C = A A O C + A B O C A_{ABC} = A_{AOC} + A_{BOC}

210 = 17 r 2 + 25 r 2 = 21 r 210 = \frac{17r}{2} + \frac{25r}{2} = 21r

r = 10 r = 10

Hence, d = 20. d = 20.

Bong Man
Jul 28, 2013

let O be the center of circle and let the radius is 2r.

the circle tangent BC at D, AC at E.

Sum of area triangles AOC and BOC equal area ABC

17r+25r=sqrt(35x10x7x18)

42r=210

r=5

the diameter = 4r=4*5=20

Thomas Beuman
Jul 29, 2013

Let M M be the center of the inscribed semicircle and r r its radius (note that M M lies on A B AB ). Let P P be the point on A C AC where the semicircle touches A C AC . Then M P MP is perpendicular to A C AC . Therefore, the area of the triangle A M C AMC equals

T 1 = 1 2 M P A C = 17 2 r T_1 = \frac12 |MP| |AC| = \frac{17}2 r .

By similar means, we find that the area of the triangle B M C BMC equals

T 2 = 25 2 r T_2 = \frac{25}2 r .

Since these two triangles together make up the triangle A B C ABC , that area equals T = T 1 + T 2 = 21 r T = T_1 + T_2 = 21r .

We can also compute the area of the triangle A B C ABC using Heron's formula:

T = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) = 35 10 18 7 = 210 T = \sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)} = \sqrt{35 \cdot 10 \cdot 18 \cdot 7} = 210 .

Comparing our two formulas for T T , we thus find r = 10 r = 10 , hence the diameter is 2 r = 20 2r = \boxed{20} .

Sri Kanth
Jul 29, 2013

Let O be the centre of the semicircle. Let E be the foot of the perpendicular drawn from O to AC and F be the foot of the perpendicular drawn from O to BC. Then let r = O E = O F r = OE = OF be the radius of the semicircle. By Heron's Formula, area of triangle ABC is 35 ( 35 17 ) ( 35 25 ) ( 35 28 ) = 210 \sqrt{35(35 - 17)(35-25)(35-28)} = 210 where 35 is the semiperimeter.

However,

Area of triangle ABC = Area of triangle OAC + Area of triangle OBC = 210.

O B C = 1 2 × B C × O F = 1 2 × 25 × r \triangle OBC = \frac12 \times BC \times OF = \frac12 \times 25 \times r

O A C = 1 2 × A C × O E = 1 2 × 17 × r \triangle OAC = \frac12 \times AC \times OE = \frac12 \times 17 \times r

From the above two equations, we can deduce that r = 10 r = 10 and therefore the diameter of the circle is 20 20 .

Mirror the triangle about AB to get a quadrilateral. The circle is now inscribed in this quadrilateral. For such a tangential quadrilateral , the area is the product of the radius of the circle and the semiperimeter of the quadrilateral. Since the area of the triangle is 210 (and hence the area of the quadrilateral is 420) and the semiperimeter of the quadrilateral is 42, we obtain d=2*420/42=20.

Daniel Liu
Jul 28, 2013

We represent the radius of the semicircle as r r . Draw the radii from the center of the semicircle (call this center D D ) to the tangent lines. Call the points on A C , B C \overline{AC},\overline{BC} the names R , S R, S , respectively. Note that Δ D R C Δ D S C \Delta DRC\cong \Delta DSC because of the SSS congruence. We represent R C = S C \overline{RC}=\overline{SC} as x x . Since R D C = S D C \angle RDC=\angle SDC , we can use the angle bisector theorem to obtain that A D = 34 3 \overline{AD}=\dfrac{34}{3} and B D = 50 3 \overline{BD}=\dfrac{50}{3} . Note that both Δ A D R \Delta ADR and Δ B D S \Delta BDS are right triangles. Therefore we can set up these equations by Pythagorean Theorem: ( 34 3 ) 2 ( 17 x ) 2 = r 2 \left(\dfrac{34}{3}\right)^2-(17-x)^2=r^2 ( 50 3 ) 2 ( 25 x ) 2 = r 2 \left(\dfrac{50}{3}\right)^2-(25-x)^2=r^2 Using elimination to cancel off the r 2 r^2 we obtain that x = 35 3 x=\dfrac{35}{3} . Plugging x x back in and solving for r r gives r = 10 r=10 . Therefore the answer is d = 2 r = 20 d=2r=\boxed{20}

Mursalin Habib
Jul 28, 2013

Let the center of the semicircle be O O . Join O O and C C .

Let P P and Q Q be the feet of perpendiculars from O O to B C BC and A C AC respectively.

It is clear that O P = O Q = OP=OQ= the radius of the semicircle. We're going to call it r r from this point on.

Now consider the right triangles O P C \triangle OPC and O Q C \triangle OQC . Notice that they are congruent.

So we can say O C P = O C Q \angle OCP=\angle OCQ .

Now we apply the angle bisector theorem on A B C \triangle ABC which tells us:

A C B C = A O B O \frac{AC}{BC}=\frac{AO}{BO}

17 25 = A O B O \Rightarrow \frac{17}{25}=\frac{AO}{BO}

17 25 + 1 = A O B O + 1 \Rightarrow \frac{17}{25}+1=\frac{AO}{BO}+1

17 + 25 25 = A O + B O B O \Rightarrow \frac{17+25}{25}=\frac{AO+BO}{BO}

42 25 = A B B O \Rightarrow \frac{42}{25}=\frac{AB}{BO}

42 25 = 28 B O \Rightarrow \frac{42}{25}=\frac{28}{BO}

B O = 50 3 \Rightarrow BO=\frac{50}{3} ( 1 ) \cdots (1) .

Now let's use the cosine law on A B C \triangle ABC to find cos A B C \cos \angle ABC .

cos A B C = A B 2 + B C 2 A C 2 2 × A B × B C \cos \angle ABC=\frac{AB^2+BC^2-AC^2}{2\times AB\times BC} .

Plugging in all the values, we get cos A B C = 4 5 \cos \angle ABC=\frac{4}{5} .

That means sin A B C = 1 ( 4 5 ) 2 = 3 5 \sin \angle ABC=\sqrt{1-(\frac{4}{5})^2}=\frac{3}{5} ( 2 ) \cdots (2) .

Now consider the right triangle O P B OPB .

O P = r = O B × sin O B P = O B × sin A B C OP=r=OB\times \sin \angle OBP=OB\times \sin \angle ABC .

Plugging in the values from ( 1 ) (1) and ( 2 ) (2) we get r = 50 3 × 3 5 = 10 r=\frac{50}{3}\times \frac{3}{5}=10 .

We want the diameter. So just multiply it by 2 2 to get 2 r = 20 2r=20 .

Daniel Chiu
Jul 28, 2013

Notice that A B C \triangle ABC can be split into two right triangles, a 15-20-25 triangle and a 8-15-17 triangle that share a height of length 15. Let O O be the center of the semicircle, and then the distances from O O to A C \overline{AC} and B C \overline{BC} are equal. Drawing in those perpendiculars, we see that similar right triangles are formed. Since A O = x AO=x , the distance from O O to A C \overline{AC} is 15 17 x \dfrac{15}{17}x , and since O B = 28 x OB=28-x , the distance from O O to B C \overline{BC} is 3 5 ( 28 x ) \dfrac{3}{5}(28-x) . We have 15 17 x = 3 5 ( 28 x ) \dfrac{15}{17}x=\dfrac{3}{5}(28-x) 75 x = 51 ( 28 x ) 75x=51(28-x) 126 x = 28 51 126x=28\cdot 51 18 x = 204 18x=204 x = 34 3 x=\dfrac{34}{3} Now, the answer is twice the distance from O O to A C \overline{AC} , which is 15 17 x \dfrac{15}{17}x , so the answer is 2 15 17 34 3 = 20 2\cdot\dfrac{15}{17}\cdot\dfrac{34}{3}=\boxed{20} .

Why must the triangles be 15-20-25 and 8-15-17? What supports that claim other than the fact that they are familiar pythagorean triples?

Michael Tong - 7 years, 10 months ago

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If you combine a 15-20-25 and 8-15-17 triangle you get the 17-25-28 triangle in the problem. I am not exactly sure what you are asking.

Daniel Chiu - 7 years, 10 months ago
Harrison Lian
Jul 31, 2013

By Heron's formula, we know that the area of A B C = 210 \bigtriangleup ABC=210 .

We know that side A C AC is perpendicular to the radius, and side B C BC as well. This means that 17 r 2 + 25 r 2 = 210 \frac{17r}{2}+\frac{25r}{2}=210 , solving we get r = 10 r=10 . Therefore, the diameter is 20 \boxed{20} .

We use Heron's formula on A B C \bigtriangleup ABC to find its area: s = 28 + 25 + 17 2 = 35 s = \frac{28 + 25 + 17}{2} = 35 \to A A B C = 35 7 10 18 = A_{\bigtriangleup{ABC}} = \sqrt{35\cdot7\cdot10\cdot18} = 7 2 5 2 2 2 3 2 = 210 \sqrt{7^2\cdot5^2\cdot2^2\cdot3^2} = 210 .

Reflecting the entire figure over segment A B \overline{AB} gives us a quadrilateral A C B C ACBC' which has the now full-circle (the semicircle became a full circle when we reflected it over its diameter) as an incircle.

Clearly, the area of this quadrilateral is twice that of A B C \bigtriangleup ABC , which is 420 420 . By the equality A = s R A = s \cdot R , where A , s , R A,s,R are the area, semiperimeter, and radius of the incircle of a polygon, respectively, we have 420 = 25 + 17 + 25 + 17 2 R 420 = \frac{25 + 17 + 25 + 17}{2} \cdot R \to R = 420 42 = 10 R = \frac{420}{42} = 10 . Thus, the diameter of the circle is 2 10 = 20 2 \cdot 10 = \fbox{20} .

Draw another triangle attached to side AB and congruent to triangle ABC. The vertex directly opposite C can be labeled D. There exists a quadrilateral ADBC with AC length 17, AD length 17, BC and BD length 25. The semicircle can be completed to form a quadrilateral with a circle inscribed inside. A quadrilateral's area with a circle inscribed can be found by (semi-perimeter)(inradius). The semi-perimeter is 42. So the area of the quadrilateral is equal to 42r. The area of the quadrilateral is also equal to 2 times the area of triangle ABC. Area of triangle ABC can be found using Herons Formula: \sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}. s = semi-perimeter and a, b, and c, are the three sides. That gives us the area to be 210. That's area of triangle ABC, quadrilateral ADBC is twice that, giving 420. 42r = 420. r = 10. The diameter is twice that, 20.

Louie Tan Yi Jie
Jul 29, 2013

Let A = ( 0 , 0 ) A=(0,0) and B = ( 28 , 0 ) B=(28,0) .

Finding C: C x 2 + C y 2 = 17 ( C x 28 ) 2 + C y 2 = 25 C x = 8 C y = ± 15 \sqrt{Cx^2+Cy^2}=17\\ \sqrt{(Cx-28)^2+Cy^2}=25\\ Cx=8\\Cy=\pm 15

C can be on both sides of line AB and the triangle still looks the same, so we can simply pick out C = ( 8 , 15 ) C=(8,15) without loss of generality.

Let X be the center of the circle. X must lie on AB.

0 Xx 28 Xy = 0 0\leq \text{Xx}\leq 28\\\text{Xy}=0

Let D be the point where the circle touches AC. D must lie on AC. DX must also be perpendicular to AC.

Dy = 15 8 Dx Xy Dy Xx Dx = 8 15 \text{Dy}=\frac{15}{8}\text{Dx}\\ \frac{\text{Xy}-\text{Dy}}{\text{Xx}-\text{Dx}}=-\frac{8}{15}

Let E be the point where the circle touches BC. E must lie on BC. EX must also be perpendicular to BC.

Ey = 15 8 28 ( Ex 28 ) Xy Ey Xx Ex = ( 8 28 ) 15 \text{Ey}=\frac{15}{8-28} (\text{Ex}-28)\\ \frac{\text{Xy}-\text{Ey}}{\text{Xx}-\text{Ex}}=-\frac{(8-28)}{15}

DX and EX are both radii to the same circle, hence they must have the same length.

r = ( Xx Dx ) 2 + ( Xy Dy ) 2 = ( Xx Ex ) 2 + ( Xy Ey ) 2 r=\sqrt{(\text{Xx}-\text{Dx})^2+(\text{Xy}-\text{Dy})^2}=\sqrt{(\text{Xx}-\text{Ex})^2+(\text{Xy}-\text{Ey})^2}

Solving this big mess gives us:

D = ( 128 51 , 80 17 ) E = ( 52 3 , 8 ) X = ( 34 3 , 0 ) r = 10 D=\left(\frac{128}{51},\frac{80}{17}\right)\\ E=\left(\frac{52}{3},8\right)\\ X=\left(\frac{34}{3},0\right)\\ r=10

Diameter of circle: 2 r = 20 2r=20

Duc Minh Phan
Jul 28, 2013

Let I I be the center of the semicircle inscribed in A B C \triangle ABC tangent to A C AC and B C BC .

Since ( I ) (I) tangent to A C AC and B C BC , the distances from A C AC and B C BC to I I must equal to each other. Hence, I I lies on the bisector d d of A C B ^ \widehat{ACB} .On the other hand, since a diameter of ( I ) (I) lies on A B AB , I I lies on A B AB . Therefore, I I must be the intersection of d d and A B AB .

Let r r be the radius of ( I ) (I) , then r r is the distance from I I to A C AC and B C BC as well. By using Heron's formula, we can find that S A B C = 210 S_{ABC} = 210 . On the other hand, we have 2 S A B C = 2 S I B C + 2 S I A C = r B C + r C A . 2S_{ABC} = 2S_{IBC} + 2S_{IAC} = r \cdot BC + r \cdot CA. Then r = 2 S A B C B C + C A = 2 × 210 25 + 17 = 10 r = \frac{2S_{ABC}}{BC+CA} = \frac{2 \times 210}{25+17} = 10 , and d = 2 r = 20 d = 2r = 20 .

Jiayang Zhao
Jul 28, 2013

Let r r be the radius of the semicircle. Call the center of the semicircle O O , and let D D and E E be the points of tangency of the semicircle on the sides A C AC and B C BC , respectively. O D OD and O E OE both have lengths of r r and are both perpendicular to their respective sides. Thus, the areas of A O C \triangle AOC and B O C \triangle BOC can be written as 17 r 2 \frac{17r}{2} and 25 r 2 \frac{25r}{2} , and their sum is easily seen to be the area of A B C \triangle ABC .

The area of A B C \triangle ABC can also be calculated using Heron's Formula, which yields 35 ( 35 20 ) ( 35 17 ) ( 35 28 ) = 210 \sqrt{35(35-20)(35-17)(35-28)} = 210 .

We thus have the equation r 2 ( 25 + 17 ) = 210 \frac{r}{2}(25+17) = 210

r = 10 \therefore r = 10

Thus the diameter is 20.

Benson Li
Jul 28, 2013

Let D D be the center of the semicircle of line A B AB . C D CD splits the triangle into two parts. Furthermore, we know that dropping D D onto lines A C AC and B C BC will create perpendiculars, with the length of the radius. Call this length r r

Using Hero's Formula, [ A B C ] = 210 [ABC]=210 . So, . 5 × A C × r + . 5 × B C × r = 210 .5 \times AC \times r + .5 \times BC \times r=210 . Making Substitutions for AC and BC gives r = 10 r=10 . SO the answer is 20 20

Let P P , Q Q be the points where the semicircle touches A C AC and B C BC , respectively, and M M its center. Note that M P A C MP \perp AC and M Q B C MQ \perp BC . If ( A B C ) (ABC) denotes the area of A B C \bigtriangleup ABC and r r the radius of the semicircle, we have

( A B C ) (ABC)

= ( A C M ) + ( B C M ) = (ACM) + (BCM)

= 1 2 ( A C P M + B C Q M ) = \frac{1}{2} (AC \cdot PM + BC \cdot QM)

= r 2 ( A C + B C ) = 21 r = \frac{r}{2} (AC + BC) = 21 r .

On the other hand, using Heron's formula, we can deduce ( A B C ) = 35 10 7 18 = 210 (ABC) = \sqrt{35 \cdot 10 \cdot 7 \cdot 18} = 210 .

Hence, r = 10 r = 10 and the diameter of the semicircle is 20 20 .

Dani Natanael
Aug 2, 2013

Look at the triangle ABC. Let points D, E, and O are lies in sides BC, AC, and AB respectively, so that O is the center of the semicircle, OD is perpendicular with BC, and OE is perpendicular with AC. so we get CE = CD, OD = OE = r , where r is the radius of the semicircle. the triangle ODC is similar with triangle OEC, and angle OCE and angle OCD both have same value of degree. Base on Angle Bisector Theorem, we get

A C B C = A O B O \frac{AC}{BC}=\frac{AO}{BO}

17 25 = A O 28 A O \frac{17}{25}=\frac{AO}{28-AO}

A O = 34 3 AO=\frac{34}{3}

Then, by using the law of cosinus base on triangle ABC

2 5 2 = 1 7 2 + 2 8 2 2.17.28. cos α 25^{2}=17^{2}+28^{2}-2.17.28.\cos \alpha

cos α = 8 17 \cos \alpha = \frac{8}{17} , and sin α = 15 17 \sin \alpha = \frac{15}{17}

Look at the triangle EAO. we know that

sin α = O E A O \sin \alpha = \frac{OE}{AO}

O E = A O sin α OE=AO \sin \alpha

O E = 34 3 . 15 7 OE=\frac{34}{3} . \frac{15}{7}

O E = 10 OE = 10

So, the diameter of the semicircle is 2 r = 2.10 = 20 2r = 2.10=20

David Vaccaro
Aug 1, 2013

We can find the area of ABC by Heron's formula: A = 210 A=210 . Let D be the centre of the inscribed semi-circle of radius r r . The area of ACD is 25 r 2 \frac{25r}{2} and of BCD is 17 r 2 \frac{17r}{2} since the radii from D are altitudes. So the area of ABC is 21 r 21r and hence the radius is 10 and the diameter is 20.

Thuc Vo Duy
Aug 1, 2013

Denote I is the center of the semicircle. Put △ABC in Oxy with A(0,0) , B(28,0) C(20,15)

I in the bisector of ACB, so A I A C \frac{AI}{AC} = B I B C \frac{BI}{BC} AI+BI=28 => AI = 50 3 \frac{50}{3} => I( 50 3 , 0 ) \frac{50}{3},0)

Equaltion of the line AC is -3x+4y = 0

Distance from I to AC is 10 => diameter of the semicircle is 20

half of perimeter of A B C = s = 28 + 25 + 17 2 = 35 \triangle ABC = s = \frac{28+25+17}{2} = 35

Area = 35 ( 35 28 ) ( 35 25 ) ( 35 17 ) = 210 = \sqrt{35*(35-28)*(35-25)*(35-17)} = 210

Let r r be the radius and O O be the center of the semi-circle. In A O C \triangle AOC and B O C \triangle BOC , r r is the height.

Area of A O C = 1 2 17 r = 17 r 2 \triangle AOC = \frac{1}{2}*17*r = \frac{17*r}{2}

Area of B O C = 1 2 25 r = 25 r 2 \triangle BOC = \frac{1}{2}*25*r = \frac{25*r}{2}

Now,

17 r 2 + 25 r 2 = 210 \frac{17*r}{2} + \frac{25*r}{2} = 210 r = 10 \Rightarrow r = 10

So, the diameter is ( 10 2 ) = 20 (10*2) = \boxed{20}

Matt McNabb
Jul 31, 2013

Let O O be the centre of the semicircle, which has radius r r .

Since the circle is tangent to O B OB , the radius at the tangent point makes a right angle with O B OB . So [ B C O ] [BCO] is 1 2 B C r \frac{1}{2} BC \cdot r .

Similarly, [ A C O ] [ACO] is 1 2 A C r \frac{1}{2} AC \cdot r . Adding these two together gives [ A B C ] = 1 2 r ( 25 + 17 ) [ABC] = \frac{1}{2}r(25 + 17) so [ A B C ] = 21 r [ABC] = 21r

Now, using Heron's formula, with s = 1 2 ( 28 + 25 + 17 ) = 35 s = \frac{1}{2}(28 + 25 + 17) = 35 : [ A B C ] 2 = 35 28 25 17 {[ABC]}^{2} = 35 \cdot 28 \cdot 25 \cdot 17 which leads to [ A B C ] = 210 [ABC] = 210

But we already worked out that [ A B C ] = 21 r [ABC] = 21r , therefore r = 10 r = 10 , and the diameter is twice that.

Paul Peh
Jul 31, 2013

Assume that O is the point on AB where the tangents to AC and BC meet. If we extend a line from C to O we now have triangle BCO and ACO. The ratio of which BC/BO = AC/AO. Therefore, if BO = x:

25/x = 17/(28-x)

x = 16.67

Using the law of Cosines, let the degree at B = theta:

17^2 = 25^2 + 28^2 - 2(25)(28)Cos (theta)

Cos (theta) = 0.8

theta = 36.87 degrees

Then using the law of sin, let the radius at tangent BC = y:

Sin(36.87) = y/x

y = 16.67 * 0.6 = 10

Therefore, the diameter of the semicircle is 10 * 2 = 20

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Albert Ho
Jul 30, 2013

Let the center of the semicircle be denoted by "P", which lies on AB. Drawing the radii "r" of the semicircle from P to the points of tangency on AC and BC, we get right angles. Dividing triangle ABC along the line from point C to point P, we see that [ABC] = [APC] + [BPC] = (AC)r/2 + (BC)r/2 = (17+25)r/2 = 21r. Using Heron's formula, we find that [ABC] = 210. Thus 210 = 21r, so r = 10, so the diameter is 2r = 20 .

Hero P.
Jul 30, 2013

Using Heron's formula, we find s = ( 28 + 25 + 17 ) / 2 = 35 s = (28+25+17)/2 = 35 , and [ A B C ] = 35 ( 35 28 ) ( 35 25 ) ( 35 17 ) = 210. [ABC] = \sqrt{35(35-28)(35-25)(35-17)} = 210. Consider A A' on A C AC extended and B B' on B C BC extended such that A B A B A'B' || AB and A B A'B' is tangent to the incircle of which the semicircle is part. Thus the distance between A B A'B' and A B AB is r r , the inradius, and we wish to find 2 r 2r . The altitude from C C to A B AB is h = 2 [ A B C ] / ( A B ) = 2 ( 210 ) / 28 = 15 h = 2[ABC]/(AB) = 2(210)/28 = 15 , so by similarity of triangles, the semiperimeter of A B C \triangle A'B'C is s = h + r h s = 35 ( 1 + r / 15 ) s' = \frac{h+r}{h} s = 35(1+r/15) , and the area is [ A B C ] = ( h + r h ) 2 [ A B C ] = 210 ( 1 + r / 15 ) 2 [A'B'C] = \left(\frac{h+r}{h}\right)^2 [ABC] = 210(1+r/15)^2 . But we also have [ A B C ] = r s [A'B'C] = rs' , hence 210 ( 1 + r / 15 ) 2 = 35 ( 1 + r / 15 ) r , 210(1+r/15)^2 = 35(1+r/15)r, and since r > 0 r > 0 , we can cancel the common factor and obtain the solution r = 10 r = 10 , so the diameter of the semicircle is 2 r = 20 2r = \boxed{20} .

Indeed, the radius of the semicircle in the general case can be expressed as r = [ A B C ] A C + B C . r = \frac{[ABC]}{AC+BC}.

Nishant Sharma
Jul 29, 2013

We draw \triangle A B C ABC with A B AB as base ( \big( to facilitate clarity ) \big) . Let the semicircle with diameter on A B AB touch A C AC and B C BC at D D and E E respectively. Let the centre of semicircle be O O and radius be r r . From geometry we have \angle O E B = OEB=\: \angle O D A = ODA=\: 9 0 90^{\circ} .

If A D = x AD=\:x then D C = C E = 17 x DC=\:CE=\:17 - x and E B = 8 + x . EB=\:8 + x\,.

\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\; ( \big( Lengths of tangents from an external point to a circle are equal ) \big)

Now [ A B C ] = [ A D O ] + ( [ O D C ] + [ O E C ] ) + [ O E B ] [ABC]=\:[ADO] + \big([ODC] + [OEC]\big) + [OEB]

\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\; ( \big( where [ P Q R S ] [PQRS] denotes the area of quadrilateral P Q R S ) PQRS\big)

\implies\: [ A B C ] = r x 2 + r . ( 17 x ) + r . ( 8 + x ) 2 [ABC]=\:\displaystyle{\frac{rx}{2} + r.(17 - x) + \frac{r.(8 + x)}{2}}

\implies\: [ A B C ] = 21. r [ABC]=\:21.r \;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\; -- ( i ) (i)

Again [ A B C ] = 1 2 × A B × B C × sin A B C = 1 2 × 28 × 25 × 3 5 [ABC]=\:\displaystyle{\frac{1}{2} \times AB \times BC \times \sin \angle ABC=\:\frac{1}{2} \times28 \times 25 \times \frac{3}{5}}

\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\; -- ( i i ) (ii)

\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\; ( \big( Using cosine-rule in A B C \triangle ABC ) \big)

From ( i ) (i) and ( i i ) (ii) we get , ,

21. r = 1 2 × 28 × 25 × 3 5 21.r=\:\displaystyle{\frac{1}{2} \times28 \times 25 \times \frac{3}{5}}

\implies\: r = 10 r=\:10

So diameter = 2. r = 20 . 2.r=\:\boxed{20} .

Shunping Xie
Jul 29, 2013

First note that the length of the altitude from C C to A B AB is 15 15 because A B C \triangle ABC is composed of an 8 15 17 8-15-17 and a 15 20 25 15-20-25 triangle. Call the center of the semicircle O O . Now call the altitude from O O to A C AC and O O to B C BC A A' and B B' respectively. Note that O A = O B = OA'=OB'= the radius of the semicircle. Now take A O A \triangle AOA' and B O B \triangle BOB' and join them together such that A A' and B B' are the same point. This new triangle will be called A B O \triangle ABO . Because of how A B O \triangle ABO was constructed, A B O A B C \triangle ABO \sim \triangle ABC and the length of the altitude from O O to A B AB is the length of the radius of the semicircle. Now we need to find the factor k k that A B C \triangle ABC was scaled by to get A B O \triangle ABO . The sum of the lengths A C AC and B C BC is 17 + 25 = 42 17+25=42 . The sum of the lengths A O AO and B O BO is 28 28 because it is equal to A B AB of triangle A B C ABC . This means the scale factor k k is 28 42 = 2 3 \frac{28}{42}=\frac{2}{3} . Thus the radius of the semicircle is 15 × 2 3 = 10 15\times\frac{2}{3}=10 and the diameter of the semicircle is 20 20 .

Guiping Xie
Jul 29, 2013

Call the origin of the semicircle O O and the points of tangency to B C BC and A C AC , D D and E E respectively. Therefore the right triangles O D B ODB and O E A OEA are formed.

Given the two sides 17 17 and 25 25 we notice the nice Pythagorean triples 8 , 15 , 17 8,15,17 and 15 , 20 , 25 15,20,25 or we can drop an altitude and solve for this if it isn't apparent.

Therefore we have the sin A = 15 17 \sin A = \frac{15}{17} and sin B = 3 5 \sin B = \frac{3}{5} .

We use this fact on the right triangles O D B ODB and O E A OEA . Now, O D = O E OD = OE since they are both radii. Calling O D = O E = r OD = OE = r , we get r A O = 15 17 \frac{r}{AO} = \frac{15}{17} and r O B = 3 5 \frac{r}{OB} = \frac{3}{5} .

Solving the system with A O + O B = 28 AO + OB = 28 we get r r to be 10 10 . Doubling this for the diameter we get 20 \boxed{20}

Brendan Yap
Jul 29, 2013

Let the points of tangency of AC and BC to the semicircle, respectively, be D and E. Also, let the center of the circle be O. Thus, OD is perpendicular to AC and OE is perpendicular to CB.

We can find the area of AOC and BOC in terms of r, the radius, since we know the height is r and the side lengths are AC = 17 and BC = 25. Adding the two areas together, we get [AOC] + [BOC] = 17r/2 + 25r/2 = 21r = [ABC].

We can also find the area of ABC using Heron's formula with side lengths 17, 25, and 28 and semiperimeter 35. We get that [ABC] = 210, so using our expression for [ABC] from earlier, 21r = 210, so r = 10 and d = 20.

Arthur Wang
Jul 29, 2013

Let center of the semicircle be O and let the foot of the altitude drawn from C to AB be H. Note that [ABC] = 14 CH = 21 r where r is the radius of the semicircle. Solving for CH in terms of r yields CH = 3 r 2 \frac{3r}{2} . Also we can now express AB in terms of r using Pythagorean theorem on triangles ACH and BCH. Let 3 r 2 = x \frac{3r}{2} = x . , 28 = 1 7 2 x 2 + 2 5 2 x 2 28 = \sqrt{17^2-x^2} + \sqrt{25^2-x^2} . After solving for x, we get that x = 15 so r = 10. Thus, the diameter of the circle or 2r = 20.

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